Women's rights general conversations - Thread 5

[Kucinghitam]

Continuation of Thread 4.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions, grr"- that sort of thing).

An interesting [1] thing about the Duffield tweet is she was retweeting somebody else saying the same thing, and they had quite different responses. The original has a lot more agreement, she's getting far more flack.

Guess the sex of the original tweeter.

[1] Dull and entirely predictable.

Date for mermaids v LGB alliance decision

Ooh! Next week!

Oh nice, that’s just suddenly crept up.

Took bloody long enough 😠

https://platform.twitter.com/embed/Tweet.html?id=1674794126028726274

Today I was told by @marksandspencer customer service that I was hateful for saying that I do not want men in my changing rooms and that not having a sign to inform women that the changing rooms are mixed sex was wrong.

M&S is the next Wickes?

Bit more on how the English translation of the bible screwed over Eve and, by extension, all women.

https://youtube.com/shorts/VIXKQb1E22s?feature=share4

Why am i not surprised!

Just found this during some middle of the night internet perusing. I've not seen this one mentioned, or i have likely missed it

https://www2.cbn.com/news/us/third-ex-trans-california-teen-sues-medical-provider-mutilation-experimenting-her

Oh absolutely. IMO Farage is a red herring.

I'm thinking more of the broader principle of removing people's ability to function in society, just because they have Wrong Views. That's where I struggle with my baser impulse to say "I don't care that xyz has happened to a lying corrupt shitbag like Farage [other shitbags are available]."

Yes, fair is fair.

I also believe that Farage and UKIP were robbed in 2015, when their 12.6% share of the vote netted them just one (1) MP. Obviously that’s our shitty FPTP electoral system but it just shows the unfairness.

Doesn’t mean I wanted UKIP to win any seats at all, but in a fair world they would have won more.

I haven't watched the youtube Eve thing yet, but it reminds me that I've been enjoying the And also some women podcast - one of the hosts is transgender, interesting and well informed on scripture and the guest speakers are all strong feminists and entertaining. Gender is barely mentioned, women and the patriarchy feature strongly.

https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/and-also-some-women/id1678384220

I'm not surprised about the Eve thing, there are loads and loads of mistranslations in the Bible, apparently. It was mostly written in Hebrew and Ahrimaic, with apparently poor Greek in the New Testament.

It was then translated into Latin, then from Latin to other languages.

Various conclaves of churchmen decided, centuries later, which stories to include and how they should be edited.

Awful story in the Guardian, I’ll link it but it’s not nice, be warned. Seems she did it as revenge for her children’s father had abused her for years - something you hear about men sometimes doing to spite the mother (and then kill themselves, the cowards) but this is the first case I’ve read where a woman did it.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/30/woman-fatally-stabbed-baby-belfast-jailed

Northern Ireland has one of the highest (maybe the highest) rates of domestic violence against women in Europe. It's probably not surprising that that then brings out violence in some women. Horrible of course, just not unpredictably horrible.

Oh, does it? Didn’t know that. JFC though, the decisions she could have made instead. He was out of the house, she had a phone to call a women’s refuge/advice line.

Hard to get my head around a tiny innocent baby being attacked that way, but maybe she saw him as a representation of repeated violence, probably including rape. Madness is in its nature inexplicable.

Surviving child is in foster care so presumably there is substance to what mother said about him (while not excusing her actions)

They really threw the book at her and the child who killed her baby who was tried last week. I know little about either case, frankly it's too upsetting, but my gut has a lot of sympathy for both. More actually than it does for the woman who aborted her nearly full term baby. I know what child birth can do to your head. Then there was additional trauma, abuse and a dying parent, possible PMS. The other case seems more cold blooded. Then I remember, ultimately, my gut is talking out of my arse.

I learned yesterday, that Hebrew died out as a spoken language! And was revived relatively recently. As a result there are some words that are untranslatable. No-one knows what they meant, the 'gopher' wood the ark was built from? 'Gopher' is a literal translation of the letters used but was it a type of tree, a place, the local timber merchant, something else?

But Irving Finkel has the Babylonian instructions, and he built an ark from them. Scaled down but still pretty big.

On Site Stuff -

MN needs a closer watch of FWR - www.mumsnet.com/talk/site_stuff/4838748-mn-needs-a-closer-watch-of-fwr

A poet I know is planning an illustrated children's book about legendary figures of the British Isles and Ireland. He's looking for characters children will be at least a bit familiar with, but happy to expand beyond the usual suspects. Any women I should suggest?

I've already mooted Iseult, Queen Medh and Queen Isabella, and I think Queen Eleanor was suggested by someone else. Marian and Guinevere are a given, along with Boudicca and Liz I. Nessie looks likely to make the list (potentially as a lassie). Florence Nightingale and Mary Seacole got a good number of votes but I'm not sure they really count as 'legendary'.

Ooh - Mary's; nobody's suggested Shelley or Wollstencraft yet.

Who else?

(Must be suitable subjects for comic verse)

I see a familiar name misrepresenting the thoughts and opinions of many on this board was present.

Presume it was an attempt to get FWR sidelined (or worse). Wasn’t this what happened at “The old place” that many of you came from?