Are trans people really facing genocide?

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I follow a trans creator on social media. This person is not particularly well-known but I follow them so I'm not in an echo chamber and so I can better understand the opposite point of view.

This person, and others they follow, have been posting about how trans people are facing "a genocide". With new laws on sexual battery being proposed/passed in some states and the attempts to classify "gender reassignment surgery" as sexual harm it seems many trans people now believe this is part of a wider plot not to, you know, safeguard young children but to actually legally murder trans people.

The content I have seen is trans people saying they are facing Stage Eight of a genocide which would be akin to concentration camps.

The laws do seem pretty radical (death penalty, outlawing of drag) but AIBU to think that calling it genocide is hyperbolic? And that given the meaning of the word, genocide can only be committed against racial and ethnic groups?

I'm willing to have my mind changed. I can believe that sex is immutable and still not want trans people to face the death penalty but I find the equating to the national persecution of Jewish people during the Holocaust quite disturbing.

Absolute nonsense

Q: Are trans people really facing genocide?
A: No.

No of course not. Any laws against gender reassignment surgery would be around age of consent - i.e. not allowing children to have life altering surgery at an age where they don't know or understand the full risks.

Most people harping on about trans people being 'erased' and other nonsense are really talking about their validation and ego not being reinforced - not exactly the same as someone being murdered. But obviously the emotive language gets more attention.

The "trans genocide" relies on a veeeery selective interpretation of the meaning of "genocide". All common use of the word involves people actually being systematically killed.

The UN, however defines it like this:

Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

1. Killing members of the group;
2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

It is point 2 that trans rights activists cling to, the mental harm, which isn't murder or death at all, but mental harm. I believe this to be a deliberate misrepresentation of what genocide actually is, and is certainly force-teaming this much milder act with the other horrific images conjured up when we talk about genocide.

Are trans people being rounded up?
Are there actual laws which outlaw being trans?
Do they face arrest for existing?
Do they face imprisonment for existing?
Are trans people routinely stopped by police when walking down the street? On what basis are they being stopped?
Are trans people murdered at a higher rate than that if either their birth sex or their preferred gender identity?
Are trans people being murdered / killed / slaughtered / wiped out on government orders?

So no. Its horseshit. The usual hysterical language of gender identity.

No.

I also find it highly concerning that a state brings in the possibility of death penalty for child sexual abusers without a unanimous jury vote being needed and somehow the TRAs think that's about them. Why are they linking CSA with Trans?

No they are not. I suspect this epidemic will disappear in 10 years.

When someone sees the safeguarding of children against mutilation and sterilisation as genocide their motives are immediately suspicious.

The laws do seem pretty radical (death penalty, outlawing of drag)
Are these two things in any way related? Has the death penalty suddenly been widened to apply to more than murder and treason?
Imo the death penalty is extreme and I don't support it, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with being trans?

Being told 'no' for once is not genocide.

Death penalty? For what?

I saw TRA's claiming that the death penalty for child rape was inherently transphobic. Why would the trans community take that personally? Saying the quiet part out loud?

well isn't that stunning and brave

The "trans genocide" rhetoric is a moral panic.
Moral panic is when perceived threat (subjective component) is much more pronounced than the real threat (objective component). It is an exaggerated sense of concern about a threat that is perceived as destruction to physical safety or culture of the society.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340117283_Moral_Panic

Beat me to it @ClawedButler , Saying No isn't genocide.

Oh please come back, your post offered such insight, you obviously have much to teach us….

AFAIK some US states are thinking of introducing the death penalty for child rape. Why do trans people think this is aimed at them?

The answer is no, they're not, and it's incredibly racist to suggest they are as it implies that the actual genocide experienced by many groups across history - including Jews in Nazi Germany - is equivalent to hurt feelings.

When trans people claim they're facing genocide despite having an incredibly low rate of murders within this group (lower than women and men IIRC) it really reminds me of how teenagers come out with hyperbolic claims when adults tell them no.

Like 'Why won't you wash my PE kit? It's literal child abuse' when you tell your teen they can wash their own stinky PE kit that they deliberately stuffed in a bag and left in a corner of their room for a week after wearing it in the rain. The PE kit you asked them about when you were putting a load on SEVERAL TIMES that they failed to find because they couldn't be arsed. But that they now need to be washed for PE tomorrow. And which you insist on them washing themselves because you want them to grow up to be a functioning adult and not an entitled narcissist who thinks other people are their slaves.

So yes, as PP have said, someone saying 'no' to you, or using words about you you don't like, is not genocide.

Evidence the danger please.

@FrippEnos no not stunning or brave. Got lots going on at moment at posted this to vent my misplaced anger. Asked for it to be removed.

Sorry to all who I offended

I wish posters would post full paragraphs, more is needed then just,

"Trans lives are in danger."

They are not facing genocide though.

Of course you won’t be back because simple questions like ‘what danger?’ and ‘from whom?’ are ‘flaming’ in your affirmative model of validation.

Why do you think trans lives are in danger?

The homicide rate for trans people in the UK is on average less than one person per year for about the last 15 years or so.

No

I was just about to say this 😂

what danger are trans lives in?

more so than any other group? Are trans people being murdered at higher rates than women, than black men and women?

I have looked for the statistics but they don’t seem to back up the statement that trans people are more at risk than anyone else. Would love to see evidence!