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Stephen Whittle inciting violence against KJK/LWS Belfast

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raspberrywine · 15/04/2023 22:00

twitter.com/stephenwhittle/status/1647298393746685955?s=46&t=zg2PMywW3TnboZg5Z47SOw

Stephen Whittle inciting violence against KJK/LWS Belfast
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NotHavingIt · 17/04/2023 13:54

Brackenfield · 17/04/2023 11:23

If you're a single issue feminist you're not a good feminist.

As an aside I'd love ANY public toilets in my local area, never mind who is using them with what genitals or whatever PPs drama is. It's a total kin issue.

You've no idea about my history or my activism. I reckon over the years I've given far more time and emotional energy and commitment to women's issues than yourself.

You don't need to call yourself a feminist to believe that women matter.

haXXor · 17/04/2023 13:58

haXXor · 17/04/2023 13:35

People are accusing KJK of being a Nazi sympathiser because someone called Jolene from Britain First turned up in Belfast to an female-only open mic event and was given the mic for three minutes like all the other women who wanted it. It's not even a given that KJK knew who this Jolene is, and even if she did, giving someone a mic isn't the same as agreeing with them.

I doubt that a Nazi sympathiser would put her arm around a Black woman to support her in speaking out about her cancer ordeal.

What's being done here on this thread is some spectacular whataboutery to distract from the fact that Stephen Whittle used a pic of KJK covered in soup and the term "NZ welcome" to call for violence towards KJK because she speaks her mind and empowers other women to do the same.

Stephen Whittle used a pic of KJK covered in soup and the term "NZ welcome" to call for violence towards KJK because she speaks her mind and empowers other women to do the same.

And then racistly appropriated the Maouri haka to gaslight the people who called Whittle out on this.

haXXor · 17/04/2023 13:59

Maouri

Sorry, no U in Maori.

OldCrone · 17/04/2023 13:59

Brackenfield · 17/04/2023 11:23

If you're a single issue feminist you're not a good feminist.

As an aside I'd love ANY public toilets in my local area, never mind who is using them with what genitals or whatever PPs drama is. It's a total kin issue.

whatever PPs drama is

You mean you haven't even bothered to find out what she is campaigning about. But you're against it anyway? Even though you don't know what it is? Have I got that right?

NotHavingIt · 17/04/2023 14:00

Brackenfield · 17/04/2023 11:16

Probably, if not higher? I'm not that's relevant though? Plenty of people who want to mothers also need reproductive helathcare and equal marriage?

And for people worried that the alternative is being a wage slave, Irish feminism has always been anti capitalist as well.

If you are truly interested in a Marxist perspective then you'll surely have been interested to read the Communist party's thoughts on the matter of Self ID.

https://www.communistparty.org.uk/the-gender-recognition-bill-and-equality-law/

The Gender Recognition Bill and Equality Law - Communist Party of Britain

Communist Party executive committee STATEMENT March 2023 1 The GRR Bill was passed by the Scottish Parliament on 22 December, 2022. The Bill reforms the 2004 Gender Recognition Act (GRA) for Scotland only. It changes the process for obtaining a gender...

https://www.communistparty.org.uk/the-gender-recognition-bill-and-equality-law

NotHavingIt · 17/04/2023 14:02

Brackenfield · 17/04/2023 11:24

Yeppp... Do you want pics of our kids now as proof well or?

You can be a mum and still campaign for women's rights.

Well, that is something we have in common then.

TinselAngel · 17/04/2023 14:04

What's all this got to do with Stephen Whittle?

NotHavingIt · 17/04/2023 14:06

Brackenfield · 17/04/2023 11:35

Okay so how will your vision of single sex spaces work?

A trans man, gone through surgery, has a penis. They should use the women's spaces?

A butch presenting, cis lesbian, should they be afraid of using women's spaces because they might get questioned/harassed?

Do I need to ensure I'm presenting myself well enough as a woman each time I need to nip to the loo? Are jeans okay or should I stick to skirts?

If you're afraid of men being perverts/assaulting women under the guise of trans identifying and using women's spaces, that's an issue with MEN not trans women.

Third spaces, services and categories have always been the way forward.
You don't libertae one group by colonising and appropriating that which belongs to another group.

Datun · 17/04/2023 14:06

OldCrone · 17/04/2023 13:59

whatever PPs drama is

You mean you haven't even bothered to find out what she is campaigning about. But you're against it anyway? Even though you don't know what it is? Have I got that right?

And she isn't a feminist 😄

NotHavingIt · 17/04/2023 14:06

liberate

Datun · 17/04/2023 14:09

Someone Bracken doesn't know, doing things that Bracken doesn't listen to, attended by people who Bracken thinks other people who Bracken also doesn't know, should be objecting to.

Have we all got that?

haXXor · 17/04/2023 14:13

A butch presenting, cis lesbian, should they be afraid of using women's spaces because they might get questioned/harassed?

I get challenged and "sir'd" when in lounge suit and tie "butch mode" and it's not the day-ruining ordeal that you think it is.

Do I need to ensure I'm presenting myself well enough as a woman each time I need to nip to the loo? Are jeans okay or should I stick to skirts?

Just be female.

Third spaces, services and categories have always been the way forward. You don't liberate one group by colonising and appropriating that which belongs to another group.

This.

What's all this got to do with Stephen Whittle?

And this.

elgreco · 17/04/2023 14:23

Irish Feminism is not HISTORICALLY trans inclusive. Nothing fucking is! Anything transinclusive is RECENT.

Signalbox · 17/04/2023 14:38

elgreco · 17/04/2023 14:23

Irish Feminism is not HISTORICALLY trans inclusive. Nothing fucking is! Anything transinclusive is RECENT.

“We have always been at war with Eastasia.”

JeanRondeausMadHair · 17/04/2023 14:49

Like the actual Nazis that turned up to Posie Parker's Melbourne demonstration and made clear they were there to support her?

This is a flat out lie. You should be ashamed to repeat it.

Notaflippinclue · 17/04/2023 15:30

Jean - you're on the wrong side of history

dementedpixie · 17/04/2023 15:35

Notaflippinclue · 17/04/2023 15:30

Jean - you're on the wrong side of history

In what way?
Jean was quoting a previous poster

RudsyFarmer · 17/04/2023 15:47

Brackenfield · 17/04/2023 11:19

PSNI were definitely at the event. It was the Dublin event cancelled due to lack of policing.

I listened to Posie’s video about it and she said exactly what I stated in my post. She was terrified as the police we’re definitely not leading her out abd she genuinely thought if she’d fallen in the crush she would never have got back up.

ScrollingLeaves · 17/04/2023 15:55

If you're afraid of men being perverts/assaulting women under the guise of trans identifying and using women's spaces, that's an issue with MEN not trans women.

Transwomen are just another version of men. Fear and distrust is an issue with all men.
Transwomen retain the same criminal rates as men. It almost seems higher judging by some statistics.

Most men are not malevolent but no one can know who is good and who is bad.

Male violence and perversion is unpredictable and no one wants to be holed up alone with wandering strange men of any identity in lavatories and changing rooms etc.

Apart from this though, women want boundaries for reasons of privacy and dignity.

Third spaces should be provided for those who need them.

raspberrywine · 17/04/2023 16:06

@RudsyFarmer yeah I know about the police in NZ. I meant specifically in the pic.

What has been positive is that the met police have upped their game, probably as a direct result of the events in NZ. There's been a lot of praise for the NI police too. We will see if the Birmingham policing is up to standard.

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haXXor · 17/04/2023 16:11

JeanRondeausMadHair · 17/04/2023 14:49

Like the actual Nazis that turned up to Posie Parker's Melbourne demonstration and made clear they were there to support her?

This is a flat out lie. You should be ashamed to repeat it.

Evidence that the Aussie fash think that KJK is a bad thing is pic three of this tweet. twitter.com/RuthLessTWAM/status/1638859771855126530

Every time a TRA poster lies, and we call them out and prove them to have lied, they discredit themselves and their stance.

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EmotionalSupportHyena · 17/04/2023 16:32

it’s kinda funny to think that the rump
of what’s left of the Neo Nazi movement would suddenly be fans of Posie, Venice &
Julia et al, aka a couple of gobby Women’s Rights Campaigners, a handful of Lesbian Separatists and a bunch of their RadFem friends 😂

haXXor · 17/04/2023 16:47

EmotionalSupportHyena · 17/04/2023 16:32

it’s kinda funny to think that the rump
of what’s left of the Neo Nazi movement would suddenly be fans of Posie, Venice &
Julia et al, aka a couple of gobby Women’s Rights Campaigners, a handful of Lesbian Separatists and a bunch of their RadFem friends 😂

I find it depressing that the only set of people in this venn diagram who can tell the difference between the other two sets and are willing to articulate that difference in public are the second wave feminists.

Stephen Whittle inciting violence against KJK/LWS Belfast
JeanRondeausMadHair · 17/04/2023 16:48

Notaflippinclue · 17/04/2023 15:30

Jean - you're on the wrong side of history

User name is apropos.

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