NBC are quoting a police chief in Nashville...

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That's all I'm saying - Google is your friend and it's in the byline.

So to everyone who thinks it's irrelevant I ask a hypothetical question; if you were told to beware there's an armed and dangerous woman on the loose but it was actually a man you needed to watch out for would that be ok?

If you substitute “trans” for “fake” it’s less confusing

The shooter was a trans man ie a natal woman

I focused on their characterisation of Mumsnet, and their accuracy of Mumsnet, that's what I was discussing,

Where's the picture? This is the man who WYP called a woman in their press release he tied a disabled woman to her reclining chair and stabbed her, made her give him her PIN and stole money.

He has previous convictions for rape and other sexual offences.

The shooter was a trans man ie a natal woman

Yet the police chief, when asked if this was a trans man or a trans woman stated categorically it was a trans woman.

Now it might be that he is confused by the muddying of language.

But it is NOT clear what sex this individual was. That is shocking.

Gaslighting. You are the one with no respect.
What an absolutely ridiculous argument.
The gender identity just doesn't matter. It's about loss of life right now, that's what it's about today. if you have to make it about your own prejudice that is very much your own issue.

I actually agree it's irrelevant if they're trans.

What is extremely relevant is if they are female or male.

And this case is showing how fucked up everything is with the media as no one knows what words mean anymore. And this is why everything else we've been banging on about fucking MATTERS.

And yes, I'm incensed that transwomen's crimes are reported as women's crimes and apparently so are trans men's crimes reported as women's crimes.

The double standards are APPALLING

No I am not gaslighting at all. You are all over this thread trying to say that the gender ID is irrelevant.

This is not what the police are saying. Listen to them.

The relevance is the fact that trans ideology has superceded truth, in this case in relation to the way the media behaves with factual reporting. Whether it’s this, the terrible media behaviour in Australia and NZ ignoring male violence towards women, the multiple media reports of rapists using “her penis”, truth has become something that has to take second place to appeasing ideologues. The victims and their families deserve the truth.

@Messyhair321 I'm not sure what you're getting at. Their gender identity doesn't matter yes but their sex and how they will be 'processed' does. It matters A LOT.

“Where's the picture? This is the man who WYP called a woman in their press release he tied a disabled woman to her reclining chair and stabbed her, made her give him her PIN and stole money.”

The case you’re referring to is one man (a transwoman) stabbing another man (another transwoman). No natal women involved.

well said.

I'm seeing a lot of people online getting upset about the media "deadnaming" the shooter

There are dead children. For. FUCKS. SAKE.

Absolutely. It’s almost as if they are looking for opportunities to identify women as perpetrators of violent crime.

Whole the fuck is 'we'. You speak for yourself
Wake the hell up, women do crime. All genders do.
Christ the fact that you are still talking about yourself says it all

I agree that their gender identity doesn't matter. What we're discussing is this person's sex. That's what matters.

Yep. Police say they have a theory for the motive based on the manifesto left by the shooter, and that gender/identity is one of the theories that's being investigated.

(about 4 min in).

All genders?

How many genders are there?

Obviously to you. Not to me though you can leave me out of it thanks

@Birdsweepsin There are unfortunately dead children every single day in the US thanks to their gun laws. If we start misrepresenting the sex of perpetrators in statistics, there will be a lot more dead children when women lose their vulnerable group status.

Unfortunately one of the first US school shooters was a female back in the 70's, it inspired the Boomtown Rats hit I don't like Mondays as that was the only reason she would give for why she did it.

Loads. Yes.

Yes, it might well prove to be irrelevant but the police, at this point, do not think so.

It's almost as if people haven't bothered to listen to the police.

Why? You seem keen to be involved, you're apparently happy for write that everyone is entitled to their opinion but I can't give you one? If you're a female than this really should matter to you. There is a reason why you have extra protections. You can say bye to those when 'female' murders and rapes shoot way up.