NBC are quoting a police chief in Nashville...

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That's all I'm saying - Google is your friend and it's in the byline.

Men commit 90% of violent crime (source: ONS).

The victims and their families deserve the truth.

This. It's insane that news outlets are putting this ideology above reporting the truth. How awful for the families and friends of the victims to not even be able to figure out basic facts about who the killer was.

If that photo is what a man and society thinks a women looks like then without my makeup I look like Raquel Welsh !

Hi @Dodgeitornot

I'm not talking about that, and I agree about the importance of sex in stats.

I'm talking about TRAs upset that the media are reporting this as a crime committed by a woman, using she/her pronouns - "they should be calling him Aiden, not Audrey"... that kind of thing.

I have no respect for Anyone who kills innocent children. Fuck off with your "this will be bad for the trans community". This is a Truly Heinous Act

@Messyhair321 in this case, 'we' means 'others on this board who are against gender ideology'. I obviously didn't mean you?!

And of course, people of all sexes and 'genders' commit crimes. No one is saying they don't.

However....

Would you kindly quote me some statistics on female mass shooting perpetrators v male perpetrators?

Or murderers in general?

Or assault?

Or sexual assault?

As whilst the statistics still relate (mostly) to sex then you might see an interesting pattern emerging..

So what? How is that relevant? It doesn't mean everyone has to agree with the authority view. People don't most of the time, except when it suits...eh. They might have an entirely different approach & view than the general public or anyone else. Why should everyone agree with that

Kids died once again because the USA can’t get its shit together about gun control. Be fucking outraged about that, morons.
Fat lot of good outrage is. The USA doesn't want to change the law no matter how many children die. I'm not sure what people this side of the Atlantic can do about that.

Well said

And if we start pretending that gender dysphoria isn't a disorder often correlating with other comorbidities, we will be missing out on providing support for a proportion of highly dangerous individuals. While many people with gender dysphoria are no risk to anyone else, there remains a disproportionate number who have serious issues that affect others.

So how is police evidence relevant to solving a crime?

Oh my days.

The lengths you are going to to deny a link. You do realise that in the US trans people are protected if there isn't a link the police won't find one? If they didn't think there was one they certainly wouldn't be saying there could be in a press conference.

You are starting to come across unhinged.

@Birdsweepsin I honestly know very very little about the trans community, TRA or any other abbreviations on here. I wish no one offence or harm, I genuinely cannot imagine how those families will be sleeping tonight. However, it does make me really frightened that we've got to the point where the media don't feel comfortable saying whether the perpetrator was male or female, and this can't even be discussed on a forum. The level of hatred posters on here are recieving for simply asking the sex of the perpetrator is scary. Is this the norm on this topic?
I am really pissed off for those parents that they don't even know who they should be angry at tonight. Is it a he, is it a she? Aiden or Audrey? Do they not deserve to at least know who they'd wish will rot in hell? Seems like a very basic thing to me, even that's been stripped from them.

Maybe people do, or maybe they don't realise how important crime statistics are when it comes to deciding what groups are vulnerable and need extra help. But they really, really are. Sex is very important in crime. It always will be.

@Messyhair321 The perpetrator has left a menifesto...and you are going to disagree with this?? Wow you're really taking this opinion thing to the next level. Maybe don't go into law. Politics seems more up your street.

Pfft f off with your statistics we all know they can prove anything. & That's just what it is, academic
You can't underestimate crime & allocate it narrowly to men that's bonkers & a bit odd. And it ignores sociological factors

I'm not talking about that anyway right now as I think it's not respectful at this moment, this is not about the perpetrator, this is about people losing family & that's what it should be about today. Put your prejudice away & think about that.

The only female school shooter I can remember is Brenda Spencer and that was over 40 years ago.
Also unusually, the two people she killed were adults, not children, though she injured several.

Three babies dead and what is the subject of conversation??

So much that is shameful in this thread 😢

Responding to them achieved nothing other than wasting your time and derailing the thread.

Three children and three adults were killed in a shooting at a private religious school in Nashville, authorities said. The shooter, who police said was a white 28-year-old from the Nashville area, was shot dead by two officers. Police initially identified the shooter as a woman but a spokesperson later told WPLN's Alexis Marshall that the shooter was assigned female at birth and used he/him pronouns.

From NPR.

Yes, agree with this.
Let's get to the point.
RIP sleep in peace

you have to call someone unhinged just because I'm not seeing this the same way as you?

that's not what I said at all.

You are disputing police evidence.

I am sure it will all come to light in due course.

The families of those children and the teachers deserve the truth. Despite what you believe.

Ok wow so they were actually female. And they killed children?? That is absolutely crazy.

Speculating here:

But I wonder how testosterone affects womens agression?

Also, again total speculation, but I wonder if she was emaulating that type of male offending?

Poor victims and their families.

You obviously don't read much then there are loads but that is beside the point.

Personally I think it's disrespectful to the victims and families that respect for the perpetrators gender identity is obfuscating the reporting of what has happened.

My heart goes out to all those bereaved and impacted and I think they have the right to know the sex of the person who committed this crime.

The faux outrage in response to asking this question is very telling.

Kindness to the families is supporting them to understand the truth of what happened to their loved ones and by whom.

The finger waggers and virtue signallers will not answer you. If children are being shot up in places where they should be safe, I think that it is absolutely crucial we we use the correct words to describe sex and teach the kids the same. I dont believe that telling lies for the sake of kindness saves lives.