NBC are quoting a police chief in Nashville...

[FusionChefGeoff]

That's all I'm saying - Google is your friend and it's in the byline.

Don't be so sure.

Have you listened to the Police Chief?

It's relevant when it comes to factual reporting of crime.

@Messyhair321 But you're trying to stop people talking about sex and gender, on a sex and gender topic, because you feel the timing isn't correct. Just leave maybe?

So what if they use broad strokes? So what?
Attacking someone's style of writing is just ridiculous.
This is about loss of life what is wrong with you?

Strange isn't it?

If crimes committed by males identifying as women are recorded as crimes committed by females then this crime if it is a female identifying as a man needs to be recorded as a crime committed by a male.

I note that in the report today about the TW who violently assaulted another TW she/her was used throughout the reporting, yet in this crime the reporting does not use he/him.

Cannot have it both ways, either stick to the enforced pronoun script or abandon it and use the correct sex based pronouns and words.

I was responding specifically to this quote they made

"You really don't give up on the trans bashing on this website do you?"

Without a full detailed analysis on Mumsnet then they cannot fully accurately make that analysis.

So was the perpetrator biologically male or female?

@Katypyee Who's trans bashing? What the hell does that even mean, what an awful expression. People are trying to figure out the sex of the perpetrator. The only thing that's been disclosed in their gender and as you know, that can easily be different to their sex.
Unlike most other mass shooting reports, which happen daily in the US, this one had female plastered on every single headline because it's so so rare.
Before we start artificially inflating female crimes, people understandably want to know what happened and what the sex of this person is. I don't think that's unreasonable esp as these stats are extremely important in fighting for the safety of females and other vulnerable groups.

Since they're referring to this person as a woman and transgender and using female pronouns, it must be a man. If this person was an actual woman who identified as transgender they'd use male pronouns, wouldn't they?

Or is it that if a man identifies as a woman and commits a crime, he's a woman, but if a woman identifies as a man and commits a crime she's still a woman?

Uh no, what a snowflake argument. I'm not trying to stop anyone doing anything & I believe everyone is entitled to an opinion. Maybe you should leave eh? You don't like being challenged.
It's pathetic how people like you hide behind your own idealistic narrow view, making everything about your own prejudice.

Completely this ^

Maybe it's about people who have been killed. What about that

Completely relevant is it? Now? Really?
Fucks sake

Ok Messy, what is it you want to say about the people that have been killed?

What prejudice? You haven't challenged me on anything. I didn't even say a single opinion on this news story in my reply to you get you're saying I have an idealistic narrow view? About what? That people should be allowed to go on the gender discussion topic and talk about gender?

🙄

It's massively relevant. Men's crimes are constantly reported as being committed by women.

This bloke was called a woman in a press release today by West Yorkshire police.

It's vanishingly rare for women to commit violent crime. When reports call someone a transgender woman, it's very unclear what sex the person is. And after years of men's crimes being reported as committed by women, I question every single unusual female crime.

Because you've decided the perpetrator's physical and mental state is irrelevant?
You wouldn't want to pursue or investigate any angles which means such deaths won't ever recur? Or we need to take your word for it?
You are advocating for those taking long term medication with unknown psychological side effects and you don't even entertain the thought that there might be questions around it? Does it make the possibility go away? Or is it a timing thing? How long should we wait before the questions become respectful? Another death which won't happen? Or should we just repeat "thoughts and prayers" and hope for the best? Or are there other questions which are more acceptable this minute? Because I know a host of people who don't want us to say how American this is or how ineffective the gun laws are who would say the exact same 'irrelevant ' line. I have so many questions about how to ask obvious questions of how preventable deaths occurred. Mothers lost their children today. They deserve to know the full truth. That is the respectful thing to do.

You might be too young to remember this. https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/the-boomtown-rats-i-dont-like-mondays-dark-backstory/

What are you talking about? What do they need a full academic breakdown of an argument to make it valid? It's not about you is it? People can comment without writing a full essay. People are entitled to an opinion even if it doesn't tally with yours
You are making this about your own prejudice & it's actually about a murder & incredibly sad loss of life.

Seeing as the shooter has been shot dead by police I don't think we need to be worrying about whether they end up in a male or female prison in this instance🙄

Maybe it's about who kills people and how we help protect the victims. Crime statistics help us do that. They help in funding interventions and help figure out who the vulnerable groups are. How do you think we find out who marginalised and vulnerable groups are? Once tons of females start becoming murderers and rapists, they won't be seen as a vulnerable group. They will be on par with men.
Skewing statistics is very dangerous and a lot more complicated than just hurting someone's feelings or misgendering them.

It's unimaginable. Just cannot imagine how it must feel sending your babies off to school every day knowing there's a chance that they could be massacred there.

@Messyhair321 why are you trying to hide the trans identity of this murderer.

The police chief wasn't.

It is dreadful that these children were murdered, and their teachers, even more dreadful if the truth about their killer can't be spoken.

It is essential to know if this was a male or female crime to prevent further incidences.

So quit with your faux concern for the victims. You are simply trying to damage limit. Now is not the time. Have some respect please.

I see trahr only extends to tw not tw. Twaw and tmaw and waw. Only gender conforming men are men.

Like the primogeniture laws.