NBC are quoting a police chief in Nashville...

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That's all I'm saying - Google is your friend and it's in the byline.

The hell is wrong with you? Incredibly disrespectful to talk like it's some sort of academic discussion. People have died FFS. Get a grip

Omg, and rest in peace, to the victim's

It is very sad, however I wonder how many parents actually carry guns themselves. The law in Tennessee permits open or concealed carrying of handguns by anyone over 21. No license or permit required, so I have mixed feelings about the handwringing, but am very sorry about the kids and the teachers of course, who wouldn't be.

This is the sex and gender board - the story wouldn’t be being discussed here at all if there was no sex and gender element. Try Chat for the general threads on the awfulness of the crime and sympathy for the victims (MNHQ already deleted one because the info was ahead of the mainstream press. Should be allowed now though).

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Both the New York Times and the Guardian are using she/her and woman and they wouldn’t want to risk an accidental ‘misgendering’ so it seems likely the perp was male?

It really shouldn’t be this hard to tell though. The media is bonkers.

Could you explain the difference between this case, and eg a war and historians using it for academic purposes ?

Didn't bob geldof write a song about a girl eho shot up a school in the 80s?

I don't like Mondays?

Obviously, I'm not commenting on this case because we simply don't know anything really, but I do wonder if cross sex hormones at the doses they are given affect the brain and make people - well, ... insane. There's a lot of very questionable behaviour from certain people.

You are just massively disrespectful

I feel it, too, Delphinium. Take care.

It’s not gender identity that’s relevant to understanding criminal behaviour patterns, it’s sex.

No, all shootings, especially of little children, are horrific. But it is very, very rare for them to be committed by females. So when that appears to be the case it gets more attention. Just as plane crashes get more attention than car crashes. Wanting to understand "why" is normal.

It doesn't take away from the horror of the deaths. I could say what I thought about the regularity of this happening in America, and the subsequent discussion about gun control which never goes anywhere but it is the same conversation every time - American states could do more to prevent these tragedies happening. They never will. Same conversation every time.

Might be the sex and gender board but its also less than 8 hours after some kids were murdered and people on this board are already centering themselves in the story. There are victims in this horrific situation and its damn sure not the people posting here.

No. This is about timing. History means that people have grieved, they have come to terms with what has happened. This has just happened, it's hugely disrespectful not to mention a bit weird to jabber on about what the position of the killer was without acknowledging the victims.

It's really interesting that when a trans-identified female commits a terrible crime the media, even the left-leaning media, have no problem describing her as female and a woman, ignoring her he/him pronouns and using her deadname. If a trans-identified male had done this the media would have been monstered for not calling him a woman.

Horrific crime. And children killed too. Awful.

But media reporting of shooter is confusing. It appears that TMAW as well now. Crazy times.

Oh please.

It’s a current events news story. The whole world is discussing it.

It’s a horrific crime and it’s not disrespectful to expect our media outlets to cover it accurately.

I don't think I am confused. The shooter was not a trans woman, but a trans man as far as I can see, so use of she/her pronouns seems wrong. But it will become clearer I expect.

But as pp ate right, we should be focussing on the tragedy, not on the shooter's gender identity.

I see what you're saying as I was hoping something - but it's not comparable - in this case I 'wanted' the shooter to be a MAN not a woman. Not a transgender person over a non transgender person.

I was expecting the 'reveal' to show that this kind of violence is male violence not female violence.

The transgender angle isn't the priority.

Again, someone standing up for women's rights is repositioned to being anti-trans.

As it happens, this appears to be the exception that proves the rule.

FREEDOM OF SPEECH. If people on the 'sex and gender' board want to discuss this news in relation to sex and gender then that is their freedom. You don't have to participate and you don't have to read, so just move along.

Just very sad that people are so egocentric that they make the issue of murder & loss of precious life all about their agenda & try to weave an argument about gender identity. F'king get a grip on yourselves

Fair point, but then all the world's media are in the same boat as fellow mumsnetters, due to them all detailing the full case ?

The fact that the person who has done the shooting is allegedly a trans person is irrelevant. You really don't give up on the trans bashing on this website do you?

Yes, that was a teenage girl

IClaudine apologies, when I said you might be misunderstanding, I hadn't seen the pictures.

You don't own this board & freedom of speech works both ways, people have a right to speak & disagree with your agenda. Sex & gender isn't just for people who hate self identity

And it seems your using broad strokes to paint a sweeping statement without a detailed analysis