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They’re not Terfs they are ‘Terds’ Senator Nick McKim announces in Tasmanian Parliament

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Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 22/03/2023 09:01

I can’t believe the misogyny and hostility towards women.

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beastlyslumber · 25/03/2023 22:48

Just reading Jo Bartosch's article in Spiked, where she explains "dropkick and punt" is rhyming slang.

Sorry if you all already knew that! I was appalled to hear it.

MrsWembly · 25/03/2023 23:40

beastlyslumber · 25/03/2023 22:48

Just reading Jo Bartosch's article in Spiked, where she explains "dropkick and punt" is rhyming slang.

Sorry if you all already knew that! I was appalled to hear it.

Here in Tas, it’s a derogatory term in line with dickhead. In the spectrum of insults it kind of falls after flog but before dickhead. It probably does have its roots in the rhyming slang (not that I’d ever thought about it’s roots before now) but people here would just think of it as a synonym for dickhead. Not sure if it’s used differently on the mainland.
Disclaimer - not in any way supporting this insult - what he wrote is foul.

CremeEggQueen · 26/03/2023 22:19

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 13:22

She IS pushing back against self id. Why would you expect her not to?

If you wish to look at this with the bluntness that you seem to have adopted, she is not 'calling for men to go in with GUNS'.

She is saying that men who wish to protect their families to go into female single sex spaces. Now, I don't agree with that.

If you read the transcript she is clearly talking about men who want to 'defend' their families. And some of those men carry guns.

If you wish to twist it to suit your bad faith interpretation as supported by PN, go for it.

But others can now read it and make the decision for themselves.

Pushing back against self ID is not 'hating trans people'. And many trans people are also pushing back against self ID.

Believe it or not, some trans people who come and post here on FWR also respect women enough not to use female single sex spaces. I know it is hard to understand if you have such a polarised view of these things.

I'm talking about you Dads who maybe 'carry' I think that's something that you say?

Yes, she does mention.guns - here

"Dads who carry"
Carry guns
Maybe you didn't know that? Benefit of doubt, but that's what that phrase means.
No fucking way should anyone be OK with men going into toilets with guns as it's OK because these men are protectors of the poor helpless lil ladies - never fear, we're here for you 🙄
Whether you interpret that as she was "joking" 🙄 or not.
No.
Someone who is trans in the toilets at the same time as me, not threatening.
Some Billy big bollocks bloke and a mate or two with a gun in there thinking theyre doing a damsel in distress routine or swooping in as a white knight saviour - yes threatening.
How the actual fuck is that feminism?!

CremeEggQueen · 26/03/2023 22:25

If you read the transcript she is clearly talking about men who want to 'defend' their families. And some of those men carry guns.
Exactly- and you are being seriously obtuse if you think she meant leave the guns at home, she was just referring to men who might own or carry a gun- if that was the case, why would anyone use the phrase carry or allude to guns in the first place?!
You just wouldn't mention them at all, surely.

Boiledbeetle · 26/03/2023 22:29
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RosaBonheur · 26/03/2023 22:35

CremeEggQueen · 26/03/2023 22:19

I'm talking about you Dads who maybe 'carry' I think that's something that you say?

Yes, she does mention.guns - here

"Dads who carry"
Carry guns
Maybe you didn't know that? Benefit of doubt, but that's what that phrase means.
No fucking way should anyone be OK with men going into toilets with guns as it's OK because these men are protectors of the poor helpless lil ladies - never fear, we're here for you 🙄
Whether you interpret that as she was "joking" 🙄 or not.
No.
Someone who is trans in the toilets at the same time as me, not threatening.
Some Billy big bollocks bloke and a mate or two with a gun in there thinking theyre doing a damsel in distress routine or swooping in as a white knight saviour - yes threatening.
How the actual fuck is that feminism?!

It isn't feminism. What's your point?

KJK doesn't consider herself to be a feminist.

CremeEggQueen · 26/03/2023 22:38

Well, glad people are saying it out loud, I suppose.
It's not about protecting women and girls at all is it.
How can it be, if people are agreeing with the let men with guns in to the toilets as the big saviours and protectors of the women folk?
Even if people want to think she said it as a joke 🙄

Wellies54 · 26/03/2023 22:39

Boiledbeetle · 26/03/2023 22:29

After the events of Auckland I'm officially putting KJK up on a pedestal. Because she fucking deserves it

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Hear Hear! A totally amazing brave woman!

Boiledbeetle · 26/03/2023 22:46

CremeEggQueen · 26/03/2023 22:38

Well, glad people are saying it out loud, I suppose.
It's not about protecting women and girls at all is it.
How can it be, if people are agreeing with the let men with guns in to the toilets as the big saviours and protectors of the women folk?
Even if people want to think she said it as a joke 🙄

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IcakethereforeIam · 26/03/2023 22:47
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Tbf a lot of the sea lion gifs are actually seals. But they've got the one of the kayaker being octopused which will never not be funny. I don't think anyone was harmed, except perhaps the octopus.

Posie is amazing, she even makes soup look good. I've just watched Andrew Doyles piece on GBNews, 'twas excellent.

Loving your.....whatever that is Beetle.

CremeEggQueen · 26/03/2023 22:49

Give it a rest? Why? Because you dont like what I'm.saying?
No.
Maybe you're OK with the idea of men in the toilets with guns to protect us delicate ladies, but I'm not.
I bet I'm not the only one either.

Boiledbeetle · 26/03/2023 22:50

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Helleofabore · 26/03/2023 22:52

CremeEggQueen · 26/03/2023 22:49

Give it a rest? Why? Because you dont like what I'm.saying?
No.
Maybe you're OK with the idea of men in the toilets with guns to protect us delicate ladies, but I'm not.
I bet I'm not the only one either.

And this is a misrepresentation of what was actually said. You have been shown before just what was said, this has to be your lack of comprehension or just your continued willful misinterpretation of the truth.

Boiledbeetle · 26/03/2023 22:52

IcakethereforeIam · 26/03/2023 22:47

Tbf a lot of the sea lion gifs are actually seals. But they've got the one of the kayaker being octopused which will never not be funny. I don't think anyone was harmed, except perhaps the octopus.

Posie is amazing, she even makes soup look good. I've just watched Andrew Doyles piece on GBNews, 'twas excellent.

Loving your.....whatever that is Beetle.

Doesn't she!

That's erm what I think should be the dictionary definition of KJK!I

They’re not Terfs they are ‘Terds’ Senator Nick McKim announces in Tasmanian Parliament
CremeEggQueen · 26/03/2023 22:57

Helleofabore · 26/03/2023 22:52

And this is a misrepresentation of what was actually said. You have been shown before just what was said, this has to be your lack of comprehension or just your continued willful misinterpretation of the truth.

I'm talking about you Dads who maybe 'carry' I think that's something that you say?

Yes, she doesmention.guns- here

"Dads who carry"
Carry guns

You may see it as a joke, or agree with her.
Others don't.
You cant get away from the fact that the transcript posted does actually talk.about men with guns in there.

Hepwo · 26/03/2023 22:59

Is there anyone that gives a shit left?

Helleofabore · 26/03/2023 23:00

The transcript from the "men with guns should use women's toilets" video.

"...and men? for once, I'm talking to you. I'm talking about you Dads who maybe 'carry' I think that's something that you say? I'm so down with the American lingo! Maybe you carry, maybe you don't. Maybe you consider yourself a protector of women. Maybe you're that sort of man. Maybe you have a daughter, or a Mother, or a wife. Maybe you have a sister. Maybe you just have some friends. Maybe you just think that women are human and you don't need any absolute connection with them to feel compelled to protect us."

"I think you should start using Women's toilets, men. Because you have every right to self identify. Clearly; don't do it and upset women and girls that are already in there, but just make a point of doing it. And maybe make the women feel ok about you doing it. If, you know, if you come out and you frighten someone. But it's about time you started using Women's toilets and saying that you identify as a woman, if stopped. And I think that's how you're gonna have to... that's one of the many ways that you are going to have to combat the insanity of self-ID Even if it's not called self-ID, that's pretty much what you have, now, in the United States. And that's how you men are gonna help."

It is yet another extreme bad faith interpretation that was actually started by the extreme trans activists, let's remember that.

Now, do I agree with her calling for men to use the women's toilets. No. But I can see what she is trying to achieve here.

And it is NOT for man with guns to specifically enter women's toilets.... with their guns!

It is making the point about those men who seek to protect their family members by carrying guns as one way they do that, can choose to simply use the same tactic of ‘self-ID’ to enter the female toilets and not only show society how ridiculous self-ID is, but to go in with their families because now no male can be kept out.

Do I agree that any male over 8 enters a female toilet? No. And her call to action that males do this was not appropriate. But it is important to be honest about what was said in context.

"Maybe you carry, maybe you don't."

Or can people not read the 'maybe you don't'.

I have copied and pasted this. It was posted upthread and creme egg posted on the same page this transcript was posted. However, it is important that readers understand the degree of dishonesty there is in this lazy pushing of a lie.

Helleofabore · 26/03/2023 23:03

CremeEggQueen · 26/03/2023 22:57

I'm talking about you Dads who maybe 'carry' I think that's something that you say?

Yes, she doesmention.guns- here

"Dads who carry"
Carry guns

You may see it as a joke, or agree with her.
Others don't.
You cant get away from the fact that the transcript posted does actually talk.about men with guns in there.

Yes. It mentions guns.

It does not mention taking guns into toilets. Please show me exactly where she says take those guns into the toilets.

You are dishonest in the way you have posted this.

Everyone can see it. You know it. You would have posted the entire transcript if you didn’t understand how twisted your interpretation really is.

Helleofabore · 26/03/2023 23:05

CremeEggQueen · 26/03/2023 22:57

I'm talking about you Dads who maybe 'carry' I think that's something that you say?

Yes, she doesmention.guns- here

"Dads who carry"
Carry guns

You may see it as a joke, or agree with her.
Others don't.
You cant get away from the fact that the transcript posted does actually talk.about men with guns in there.

No guns even mentioned if we are going to get pedantic.

Boiledbeetle · 26/03/2023 23:06
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CremeEggQueen · 26/03/2023 23:06

Thanks for reposting it again, people can read for themselves.
It's clear people are just going to see what they want to see, and we interpret it differently and are never going to agree.

Boiledbeetle · 26/03/2023 23:10

Hepwo · 26/03/2023 22:59

Is there anyone that gives a shit left?

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Helleofabore · 26/03/2023 23:11

CremeEggQueen · 26/03/2023 23:06

Thanks for reposting it again, people can read for themselves.
It's clear people are just going to see what they want to see, and we interpret it differently and are never going to agree.

You have twisted it. People will see you have twisted it. You have done this before.

I am all for people seeing the transcript. And seeing your comments in light of the transcript.

No. We are never going to agree. You even added the words ‘guns’ which the transcript doesn’t say.

we both could be wrong and she could mean ‘carry‘ to mean something else.

I strive for an honest interpretation of words actually said. You strive to convince readers that something was said, when it was not.

CremeEggQueen · 26/03/2023 23:11

It does not mention taking guns into toilets. Please show me exactly where she says take those guns into the toilets

Again...as it seems you may have missed it first time
you are being seriously obtuse if you think she meant leave the guns at home, she was just referring to men who might own or carry a gun- if that was the case, why would anyone use the phrase carry or allude to guns in the first place?!
You just wouldn't mention them at all, surely

Boiledbeetle · 26/03/2023 23:12

Hepwo · 26/03/2023 22:59

Is there anyone that gives a shit left?

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