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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

They’re not Terfs they are ‘Terds’ Senator Nick McKim announces in Tasmanian Parliament

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Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 22/03/2023 09:01

I can’t believe the misogyny and hostility towards women.

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Boiledbeetle · 23/03/2023 01:41
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I'm quite happy to do some hero worshipping though, dependant on the hourly rate of pay.

Boiledbeetle · 23/03/2023 01:45
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Just practicing with a general hero worship whilst i negotiate a decent rate of pay with my target individual

Boiledbeetle · 23/03/2023 01:49
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Hmm apparently my target individual is a dog person. Back to looking fur suitable targets to hero worship

CremeEggQueen · 23/03/2023 01:51

If you dont hero worship, I clearly wasnt referring to you, was I.
If you straight away jump in with jokes about it and cant or won't see what's being said- OK then.

Boiledbeetle · 23/03/2023 01:55
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Myfluffyblanket · 23/03/2023 02:42

@Boiledbeetle 😂

Mummyoflittledragon · 23/03/2023 03:41

Theeyeballsinthesky · 22/03/2023 11:23

Can I just check if the guilt by association thing goes for those women standing with men who send death threats, say women should be raped with baseball bats, hold up signs saying ‘decapitate TERFS’, force their way into women's refuges and women’s rape survivors support groups and think rainbow dildo butt monkey was nothing to worry about

or does guilt by association only go one way?

I note this question has been asked, quoted but still remains unanswered.

SinnerBoy · 23/03/2023 05:43

Mummyoflittledragon · Today 03:41

The Trans Extremist Zealots believe that they are righteous and therefore, anything they say or do in their cause is sacred.

Anything said or done by a sex realist is anathema. It doesn't matter if she rescues a bag of drowning kittens, for your average TEZ, it's an act of pure evil.

Happylittlechicken · 23/03/2023 05:58

So @CremeEggQueen id KJK is guilty by association of being a nazi sympathiser because some nazis stormed her event, and nazis also do not believe in trans ideology, does that mean all those who believe in gender ideology are pedophiles, as John Money, considered the father of the gender ideology cult, was a pedophile? Peter Tatchell, one of the founders of stonewall, wrote a letter claiming not all pedophilia was wrong. Does that mean everyone who supports Stonewall is a pedophile? Hitler was a vegetarian, can I tell my best friend she’s a nazi as she’s also vegetarian?

PatatiPatatras · 23/03/2023 07:02

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 23:53

Just let women speak. Who knows, you might even learn something
Women are speaking, yes.
That's good.
That doesn't mean that all women have to agree with you though!
I'm always going to want to call out Nazis, or feel uncomfortable about hero worship behaviour.
Regardless of whether you're a woman too or not!

Says the enabler of barbie kardashian.

And before you get all "when did I enable xyz" - I'm only using the exact same reasoning you've just applied: pull extreme example out of very slightly related context and make it the main focus, if not the driving distraction. Don't like it? Tough shit.

TenterfieldSaddler · 23/03/2023 07:23

JacquelinePot · 22/03/2023 11:13

TERDs? TERDs?! 😂Wow, isn't he grown up and clever? Except that's not actually how you spell it, it's 'turd'.

I'm not really familiar with the term 'dropkick' so just just looked it up (sorry if someone already said it, all the early replies to dear Mish made the thread unreadable).

A dropkick is an attacking maneuver in professional wrestling. It is defined as an attack where the wrestler jumps up and kicks the opponent with the soles of both feet

In which case I'm really not even sure what message that guy is actually trying to communicate.

Apologies haven’t RTFT, but a dropkick is Australian slang for an idiot.
Im an Australian, and I can say that misogyny is rife, and comments about it being a country that offers a ‘fair go’ for everyone is a pile of shit, or, at least as far as being a woman is concerned. Anyone who comes on here saying how progressive it is as a nation is a dropkick.

beastlyslumber · 23/03/2023 07:31

Happylittlechicken · 23/03/2023 05:58

So @CremeEggQueen id KJK is guilty by association of being a nazi sympathiser because some nazis stormed her event, and nazis also do not believe in trans ideology, does that mean all those who believe in gender ideology are pedophiles, as John Money, considered the father of the gender ideology cult, was a pedophile? Peter Tatchell, one of the founders of stonewall, wrote a letter claiming not all pedophilia was wrong. Does that mean everyone who supports Stonewall is a pedophile? Hitler was a vegetarian, can I tell my best friend she’s a nazi as she’s also vegetarian?

It is the most illogical, stupidest argument. Were the British troops fascist because the Nazis turned up wherever they went? Is LWS aligned with TRAs because the TRAs turn up to their events? Is CremeEgg aligned with paedophiles because paedophiles support the organisations CremeEgg supports?

The fact that this is literally the only argument they have is really embarrassing for them. Because it's an incredibly stupid argument that any reasonably intelligent six year old could demolish. But they haven't got anything else so they keep on bringing it back. Shameful.

KalimbaMoon · 23/03/2023 09:35

Going back to the original post, I simply can’t get my head around the fact that a politician is allowed to call women ‘turds’. Hate speech, surely? The kind of dehumanising language that can be used as justification for violence.

MarshaBradyo · 23/03/2023 09:39

KalimbaMoon · 23/03/2023 09:35

Going back to the original post, I simply can’t get my head around the fact that a politician is allowed to call women ‘turds’. Hate speech, surely? The kind of dehumanising language that can be used as justification for violence.

Exactly. It’s baffling it happened and not much is being done to remove / suspend or other

This was below That's where the harms start. And it is good to tackle harms before they escalate.

This is the issue. Call women actual shit and it leads to more harms against us.

RosaBonheur · 23/03/2023 09:39

KalimbaMoon · 23/03/2023 09:35

Going back to the original post, I simply can’t get my head around the fact that a politician is allowed to call women ‘turds’. Hate speech, surely? The kind of dehumanising language that can be used as justification for violence.

Exactly this.

If he'd made these kind of remarks about, say, black people, or Jewish people, he'd have been universally condemned for incitement of racial hatred and his career would be over.

But because it's only women, people are nodding and applauding.

IcakethereforeIam · 23/03/2023 11:04

I'm just going on the record that imo cream eggs are shit nowadays. There, I said it! The chocolate is thinner and tastes weird, the filling is gritty and far too sweet. And they're so expensive.

Is there a decent alternative?

Nazis aren't what they were either. Still wankers though.

And misogyny still wends its usual depressing way.

Boiledbeetle · 23/03/2023 11:08

IcakethereforeIam · 23/03/2023 11:04

I'm just going on the record that imo cream eggs are shit nowadays. There, I said it! The chocolate is thinner and tastes weird, the filling is gritty and far too sweet. And they're so expensive.

Is there a decent alternative?

Nazis aren't what they were either. Still wankers though.

And misogyny still wends its usual depressing way.

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Who the fuck opens one this way!

lifeturnsonadime · 23/03/2023 13:09

Well some might say that KJK has been put on a pedestal but what has actually happened is that she has put a pedestal out for others to speak from.

RosaBonheur · 23/03/2023 13:23

She hasn't been put on a pedestal, she's stuck her head out over the parapet.

Same letter, different thing.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 23/03/2023 19:37

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 12:25

Creme Eggs are awful now since US companies ruined cadburys
😂 sorry, just finding it funny how the convos now basically "well creme eggs are stinky anyway!" 😁

I love creme eggs. I think their existence is valid and adds to the glorious diversity of food choices we enjoy.

I do not however believe they are real eggs, or that a recipe for omelette will be the same if one decides to make it with creme eggs.

Because some things are not other things even if they happen to use the same word, and that is OK. Celebrate creme eggs for what they are. Just don't make the claim they are actual eggs, and don't cancel real eggs just for existing.

Disclaimer: many people with vile and prejudiced attitudes also make a distinction between creme eggs and real eggs. The author's having similar beliefs on this single matter of eggitude does not imply concordance of beliefs on any other matter.

Waitwhat23 · 23/03/2023 21:03

As a side note, finding myself grimly fascinated by the idea of a Creme Egg omelette, I have just been on the hunt for odd creme egg recipes. I discovered a recipe for Creme Egg Toasties on the Cadbury's website and although I know the idea is not a million miles away from, say, chocolate spread on toast, it is giving me the boak.

Waitwhat23 · 23/03/2023 21:04

(And nicely done Flirts)

FlirtsWithRhinos · 23/03/2023 21:11

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 11:49

And what was ANTIFA doing there?

They were there because they share the Nazi's view that women (in the original female meaning) who consider the social and physical consequences of being female significant enough to justify their being recognised as different to, and at times physically separate from, male people, and who want, as a historically oppressed and marginalised group, to retain the historic name and rights of their group, are inescapably, inherently anti-trans simply by the act of differentating between physical femalehood and a gender identity of woman.

Yes, the nazis were there because they agree with this imagined anti-trans position while Antifa were there because they disagree. However, underpinning these on-the-surface opposite views is the same fundamental delusion.

So in this matter, Antifa, TRAs and nazis are all wrong.

Because recognising the social and political validity of female people to a social, political and legal existence is not an act of hate against trans people. It is simply the recognition that female people do exist, and sometimes that matters more than a trans woman's identity.

PSNonsense · 23/03/2023 22:22

*I love creme eggs. I think their existence is valid and adds to the glorious diversity of food choices we enjoy.

I do not however believe they are real eggs, or that a recipe for omelette will be the same if one decides to make it with creme eggs.

Because some things are not other things even if they happen to use the same word, and that is OK. Celebrate creme eggs for what they are. Just don't make the claim they are actual eggs, and don't cancel real eggs just for existing.

Disclaimer: many people with vile and prejudiced attitudes also make a distinction between creme eggs and real eggs. The author's having similar beliefs on this single matter of eggitude does not imply concordance of beliefs on any other matter.*

Fabulous! 👏 👏

NotYourCisterinAus · 24/03/2023 00:22

Wellies54 · 22/03/2023 18:43

@ArabellaScott Yes, that rings true. But it is manifesting as misogyny, even if that isn't the primary driver. His wife made a hugely offensive comment about TERFS and the Holocaust. So I guess her deeply defensive reaction is manifesting as anti semitism.

I agree. KJK has said the absolutely worst thing to them that anyone could say; 'You have abused your child'. They are responding by saying the absolutely worst thing they can think of to her. In his case it is misogynistic. He is attacking her as a woman and comparing her to shit. For his partner, antisemitism is clearly the most horrendous insult she can fling, so that's what she's settled on. But their insults have no power because they are not true and because what she has said about them is true. Having just watched her video (thanks @beastlyslumber ) she is certainly not crying into her tea, but I certainly hope they are waking in the night in a cold sweat, wondering how they have got to a point where they have not only harmed their child but are standing on a public stage degrading themselves by making appalling, defamatory statements about a woman who stands up for the rights of women and children.

The horrifying thing is, not the way the McKim and his wife reached for the childish insults, but they way they're encouraging other parents down the same path. Does anyone know what kinds of "conversion therapy" laws are in place in Tasmania?