They’re not Terfs they are ‘Terds’ Senator Nick McKim announces in Tasmanian Parliament

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I can’t believe the misogyny and hostility towards women.

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Remember the days when a ‘reducto ad hitlerum’ meant you automatically lost any argument online?

Can we go back to that please?

This.

at least when it suits you. I expect when it comes to explaining why you think some men are women the world suddenly gets complicated again

Just a hunch, but I think you might be right.

I love creme eggs. I think their existence is valid and adds to the glorious diversity of food choices we enjoy.

I do not however believe they are real eggs, or that a recipe for omelette will be the same if one decides to make it with creme eggs.

Because some things are not other things even if they happen to use the same word, and that is OK. Celebrate creme eggs for what they are. Just don't make the claim they are actual eggs, and don't cancel real eggs just for existing.

Disclaimer: many people with vile and prejudiced attitudes also make a distinction between creme eggs and real eggs. The author's having similar beliefs on this single matter of eggitude does not imply concordance of beliefs on any other matter.

I think you win the thread!

Surely her prize should have been this rather than wine

Peado may well be an insult thrown out as is terd, terf and Nazi.

The core objection standing for women have to the dismantling of child protection inherent in the legislative changes, the school access given to ideologies and to harmful medical practices for children are not insults.

We can focus on facts and not insults. I don't think you want to though. I think you prefer to operate at a superficial level.

I reiterate what I said elsewhere in that left wing feminists claiming that the appearance of male groups with differing agendas causing their work to collapse indicates that what they are doing is flimsy. If it can be blown over by huffing and puffing by angry men, it's not substantial.

Standing for women remains standing for women despite the attempts from all sides to blow the house down.

That's a strength. Keep on huffing though because you are actually putting more wind in the sails.

Apologies to all harmed by my torturing of metaphors.

That is because most people believe in human rights for ALL people. They also believe that trans women ARE women too.

Good on Tasmania. Now if only the UK and the USA could follow too.

And get a grip! It is not a hate crime. Seriously!

Of course most people believe in human rights for all humans.

As for your second point, if you believe that then no need to waste your time on Mumsnet.

Most people know that male people are the people that have the identity transwoman!

Women don't have that identity do they?

@CremeEggQueen you're leaving several questions unanswered here.

Most people believe TWAW? No they don't. Not worldwide.

Even in Western countries it would be split, and many of the people that would profess the belief are just doing it to be "nice" or fit in with progressive orthodoxy.

So it's not like they actually believe it in their hearts. Or anyway, whether they genuinely believe it or not, it's not like they can defend the belief.

Marge, is that you?

Fie on your false booze/egg binary!

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@Christmasisshit was just thinking that.

Yeah, there's not lot of point in constant name changing when you're completely incapable of disguising your v distinctive posting style.

@Katypyee That is because most people believe in human rights for ALL people.

Are these noble human rights activists the ones calling women 'turds' and 'dropkicks'?
Because this is not how human rights work.

I put it in the same level of capacity to understand logic to be honest. And to understand one’s own capacity for casual racism while then continuously posting against racism. And posting ridiculous mantras and demanding crowingly about whether posters support the extremists version of TWAW and ‘trans rights’ while actually regulars can find the posts where that poster declared that in some
instances they don’t think males should be treated as females And the list of ridiculous inconsistencies and bad faith takes that never survive the truth being exposed grows but actually reflects what is happening in the real world with extremist activists: there words always come back and bite them.

It is bizarre to think some of these people honestly believe that they have some moral superiority. Yet fail constantly.

@Katypyee "That is because most people believe in human rights for ALL people"

Yes indeed most people believe in human rights for ALL people.

But women's rights are not "human rights for all people", they are women's rights, for women.

And that is an important distinction, because most people believe not just in "human rights for all people" but also in additional rights for specific, clearly defined and exclusive groups as a response to and recognition of each group's specific and unique needs.

So, disabled people have additional rights and protections based on the needs and challenges that arise because of their disability.

Children have additional rights and protections based on the needs and challenges that arise because of their vulnerability.

And women and girls - original female meaning - have additional rights and protections based on the risks and disadvantages of being female bodied in a patriarchal society.

To claim that these additional rights and protections are simply universal human rights that must accrue to "ALL people" and throw them open to anyone who wants to claim them is not only to grossly misunderstand their history and purpose, but to actually render them useless to meet their purpose.

Women's rights do not exist to support male people and they were not defined in response to any challenge faced by male people, so they are in no way the rights of male people.

There is simply no valid argument whatsoever that they should be bestowed upon male people simply due to the manipulative sleight of language that is "trans woman".

Well...hellllo! I'll take three please!

That's nice.

Using single sex spaces and competing in sports for members of the opposite sex is not a human right though.

And very few people actually believe TWAW.

It wasn’t even original.

This politician might like to remember that Melissa MacDonald and Tamsin Omond’s infamous likening GC women to excrement wrecked Tamsin’s attempt at the Green Party leadership in the UK.