They’re not Terfs they are ‘Terds’ Senator Nick McKim announces in Tasmanian Parliament

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I can’t believe the misogyny and hostility towards women.

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The other PP thread is now full.

I'll comment to minirriot here, related, on KJK and denouncing Nazis:

You said, in the same post, that she hadn't denounced the Nazis, then that she did, but years ago, then that she did, several times this past week, but that wasn't good enough for your liking that it wasn't reported prominently.

The fact that virtually the entire Antipodean and British press have simply lied about what's going on, smearing her as an anti trans, rather than a women's rights activist seems to have escaped you.

They have also attempted to smear her, by associating her with Nazis. Of course they won't give any publicity to her criticism of them, because they are (although dishonest) not dim enough to contradict themselves in the same articles.

Whatever she says and does, except shutting up and going away will be enough for you.

I hadn’t watched this before as I was reading the thread. Wow KJK is a formidable woman.

It is the most illogical, stupidest argument. Were the British troops fascist because the Nazis turned up wherever they went?
They were fighting against them and their ideologies.
Not sharing the same belief as them against one of the minorities (trans people for anyone who goes what, who do you mean?)
Yes, they're at the extreme end more than most but they still share the same view
Its really not hard to grasp

And the TRAs and the neo nazis share the same attitude to women's rights. So...

So @CremeEggQueen are you saying these Nazis that turned up are really feminists who believe women should be able to be whoever they want and do whatever they want?

I mean antifa believe in not letting women speak, and the Nazis aren’t really up on letting women speak, so as they believe the same thing about a minority…. Are antifa Nazis or are the Nazis antifa?

Not sharing the same belief as them against one of the minorities

But what actual belief are you on about?. In actual words what belief did you think the guys with the anti paedophile sign, that we still can't be sure which group the sign was aimed at as there was apparently a lot of groups there, shared with anyone other than they don't like kiddie fiddlers which i think we've all agreed is a perfectly acceptable stance no matter what other opinions you hold.

So why do you assume they were there to share anything other than their anti paedophile stance? What in that makes you so sure they are there in support of the women rather than the TRAs who regularly call Terfs child abusers?

What am i missing here?

But what actual belief are you on about?.
If you read my post again you'll see I answered that.
Anti paedo signs? Who are they aiming that at, "GC' women or LGBT people?
When paedo is often thrown out as an insult towards LGBT people, just for being gay or trans, it's going to be them and you're incredibly naive (,or pretending not to see on purpose) if you think otherwise.
Why did they feel emboldened to come out at this, rally?
Enormous coincidence that it was somewhere they knew their views on this minority group (trans people) were shared.
As I said, maybe more extreme than some, but still shared.

Would you be OK if a politician described trans people and their supporters as turds?

You really do see the world in very simple terms don’t you?

at least when it suits you. I expect when it comes to explaining why you think some men are women the world suddenly gets complicated again

I was reading an article on BBC news this morning about far right groups clashing with LGBT protesters in Sydney, nothing to do with KJK

it’s hard to understand another country’s politics but my takeaway was that Australia seems to have quite a problem with violent far right groups

that’s definitely not something you can hold KJK responsible for

Are you aware that the TRAs regularly shout and have signs accusing the women at the let women speak events of being child abusers?

It's really not clear, which group was being accused of being paedophiles...you seem to automatically assume its aimed at the TRAs of being paedophiles. Why is that your first thought!

What is clear is that two groups, the women there just to talk, and the TRAs, there to shout and protest have both accused the other side of child abuse, not paedophilia, but child abuse, different things. but more in connection, as far as I'm aware, to women thinking medicating and surgically altering children is child abuse and the TRAs regularly accusing the women of abusing children by not wanting them medicated and surgically altered and immediately affirmed as the other sex.

The guys with the sign knew both groups, and others would be there, how the hell should anyone but them know why they choose that event or who their sign was aimed at?

Given how little you seem to know for sure why is it you choose to immediately assume the TRAs are most likely to be the paedophiles mentioned in the sign?

Why do you assume from this one sign that those men were there to support the women?

Why are you making these big unsubstantiated leaps in connecting things?

Again, TRAs and neo-nazis share the same views about women's rights.

In fact in the UK, and quite possibly elsewhere, both groups share a liking for issuing us with rape threats, although in fairness apparently only the TRAs kiss knives and promote our decapitation.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/11/far-right-activists-britain-white-jihadists-neo-nazi-national-action-jailed
this new breed of race haters hated women as well, and wanted to encourage their exploitation, sharing dark fantasies about the virtue and necessity of using rape against both women and children

I think they have a lot in common with your lot, dear.

"My lot?" 🙄
I don't speak for anyone else, just me.

You don't seem to know what you're talking about? What makes you think that the Nazis share any beliefs with the women talking at LWS? Which beliefs do you think they share? (If you're referring to the anti-paedophilia belief, I'd like to think that EVERYONE present shared that belief.)

The Nazi group stated that they were opposed to LWS - so why do you think they were there to support them?

At this point, it just seems like you're lying?

What do you think about a politician calling women turds?

It seems to be lost as the main issue

Are you suggesting that women shouldn't defend their own rights in case some unrelated groups show up to abuse trans people?

Which beliefs do you think they share?
I have literally answered that in the very post you quoted 😕

Sorry, are you referring to this part of your post:

Not sharing the same belief as them against one of the minorities (trans people for anyone who goes what, who do you mean?)

Because this is pretty incoherent.

LWS aren't against trans people. LWS don't really have beliefs as an organisation, as LWS is more an event allowing individual women to speak. So it's possible that one or more of the women speaking were "against trans people" - but really, you need to be more specific. What do you mean by having a belief against trans people? What leads you to think that Nazis and LWS share this belief?

And yet you have very much ignored me pointing out the overlap between neo nazis and TRAS in their attitudes to women's rights.

Even if they're not 'your lot'. It's identical reasoning to your 'overlap' accusations, although in this case it's based on actual evidence of what they think as opposed to made up convenient (to you) inference.

Humans not being able to change sex is a fact, not a belief.

Remember the days when a ‘reducto ad hitlerum’ meant you automatically lost any argument online?

Can we go back to that please?

Some of the mermaids staff supported pedophelia@CremeEggQueen so should we infer that as some pedophiles also support gender ideology, all proponents of GI are pedophiles? If not, why not. Both pedophiles and gender ideologists are invested in convincing everyone children are able to make decisions about their bodies from a young age, so as they share that belief, by your logic, all gender ideologists are pedophiles? If not, why not?

CremeEggQueen

"Which beliefs do you think they share?"

I haveliterallyanswered that in the very post you quoted.

Making false and unsubstantiated statements isn't answering the question. Do you think that KJK believes in Kinder, Kuche, Kirche? Or Aryan superiority? Euthanasia for the disabled?

Hi

Is this what you mean? "Not sharing the same belief as them against one of the minorities (trans people for anyone who goes what, who do you mean?)
Yes, they're at the extreme end more than most but they still share the same view
Its really not hard to grasp"

Because no, you haven't said what belief. Just "the same belief". Not what it actually is.

As I said in a previous post, TRAs and Nazis actually do same the same belief that women (in the original female meaning) who want to differentiate between the fact of being female bodied and the needs and rights of female people, and the fact of identifying as a woman mentally and the needs and rights of those people is inherently and inescapably anti trans, a view which GC people do not share. That, to me, is a significant point of commonality between the first two world views.