Trans-males in female spaces

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Virtually all the debates over trans issues is about trans male to female, but 50% [1] are female to male.

I am genuinely curious what the GC line on this is: would a trans-male still be welcome in female only spaces like toilets, changing rooms etc?

If they aren't welcome, even though they were born female, isn't that contradicting that sex is fixed and unchangeable...?

[1] www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/genderidentity/bulletins/genderidentityenglandandwales/census2021

Ooh yes and on return i give you👇

OMG! That looks so nice! KJK is ace!

Doesn't it. The KJK police thread got very cheesy

In principal transmen remain women in my view. The only problem is that I think they can be harder to tell apart from young men than transwomen from women, so if you were somewhere where you were worried about men, it could be upsetting.

Apparently, according to a Swedish study, transmen have a higher rate of violent offending than ordinary women. I am not sure if this would normally affect sex based spaces though.

This is an excerpt from the study.

By contrast, female-to-males had higher crime rates than female controls (aHR 4.1; 95% CI 2.5–6.9) but did not differ from male controls. This indicates a shift to a male pattern regarding criminality and that sex reassignment is coupled to increased crime rate in female-to-males. The same was true regarding violent crime
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/

Female toilets are for females. All of them. I don't give a shiny shite what they wear, take or call themselves.

Wouldn't bother me in the sl8ghtest. What an odd question.

It's not rocket science to see why there aren't loads of trans men clamouring to get in mens toilets and prisons, is there?

Which says an awful lot about how authentic the whole transitioning business is.

Straight to it.

As was presumably the point of the genuine question from a genuine poster.

I have raclette, if everyone is not too cheesed out.

booze-wise it’s less positive: dark rum or kirsch.

I've got a bottle of Aperol if anyone fancies some.

We could probably crowd source some excellent cocktails to go with the cheese.

Yes women and women who identify as male should use the women's toilets.
It's safer for them and I personally would prefer them to be safe.
I don't feel it compromises my safety at all.

I would feel unsafe with men who identify as female in the women's toilets, as I feel this does comprise my safety and my feelings are important.

Bourbon anyone? Booze not the biscuit!

I’m liking this cheese and booze party. I’ve got pickles…

I have had 3 serious G&Ts so I might not make much sense. Women's SSEs are for all women however they identify. Men's SSEs are for all men however they identify. DH tells me that going to the men's is a very private experience where there is absolutely no eye contact so a transman could pass unnoticed but he also says that he would rather piss in the carpark after 9 O'clock as the gent's is knee deep in piss and if he was a transman he would be straight off to the Ladies.

Now usually I would go for the picked onions. But I'm still reeling from the photo of Liz Thomas' girlfriends pickled testicles., Or they might have been Lias I'm not sure.

Lia not Liz

I'll say yes to @hryllilegur kirsh and ask what is Aperol?

its an Italian aperitif. It’s bright orange and a bit bitter.

you can mix it wit Prosecco and make a lively aperol spritz. Looks like supermarket iron brew.

Eww. Then no. And no to anyone that has a bottle of limencello lurking in their cupboard as well

It does look exactly like Irn Bru.

A bottle of proper full sugar irn bru is sat In my fridge.

Oh my gods; a proper drink is a very dry martini with good gin.
I'll bring the olives

Manhattan here, made with Woodford Reserve. And TWO cherries. 🍸

A few months ago I was in the women's toilets at an event. I turned round to find myself face to face with a bearded figure. My fight or flight response flared. And then, within the space of about a second, I took in their height, their build, their lack of Adam's apple, their carrying angle, their stance...and realised they were a trans man. And instantly relaxed. They were a woman (who presumably thought they were a man) in a woman's space. No threat.

LOL. You "GC" transphobes are so full of sht, it's hilarious.*

So you'd not bat an eye if this "lady" walked into the ladies' room?

Pretty pathetic attempt at a gotcha. I'd be happy in principle to share a bathroom with a transman. If the transman were one of the vanishingly rare ones that pass, like your gun-toting example, then no, I wouldn't be happy unless I actually knew they were a biological female. And actually I still wouldn't be happy if they had a gun!

To sum up, people should use the bathroom corresponding to their sex. If they have chosen and actually managed to make themselves look like the opposite sex, then they should reasonably expect to be challenged if they go into the bathroom of the sex they actually are.

My response was to the OP, not to you. If you want to respond in your own way to the opening question you are free to do so. I don't need anyone to monitor, or correct, my responses, nor do my homework for me.