Trans-males in female spaces

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Virtually all the debates over trans issues is about trans male to female, but 50% [1] are female to male.

I am genuinely curious what the GC line on this is: would a trans-male still be welcome in female only spaces like toilets, changing rooms etc?

If they aren't welcome, even though they were born female, isn't that contradicting that sex is fixed and unchangeable...?

[1] www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/genderidentity/bulletins/genderidentityenglandandwales/census2021

Ok to push this hypothetical situation, what if they totally passed as a man, had penis surgery and just fancied women so decided to use the women's toilets?

They’d still be female.

You know the surgery doesn’t actually produce a real, functional penis don’t you?

I’m also not sure what the hypothetical person’s sexual orientation has to do with it.

Lesbians use the women’s toilets because they are women. ‘Just fancying’ women is not a barrier to female people using the women’s loos.

they probably wouldn't. It's a hypo.

But since trans women are told to get out of the ladies' room so they can go get beaten up and raped in the mens' room, the flip side is a curious question. Does a AFAB hulking marine belong in the ladies' room?

Transwomen are told to get out of the ladies room to preserve the safety and the dignity of women, because transwomen are men.

LOL. You "GC" transphobes are so full of sh*t, it's hilarious.

So you'd not bat an eye if this "lady" walked into the ladies' room?

Does a AFAB hulking marine belong in the ladies' room?

In a hypothetical situation where I was given a choice of sharing an intimate space with with a TW or a "hulking AFAB marine" I'd go with the AFAB marine. Statistically I'd be much safer.

I don't quite know why this is considered a gotcha. There are plenty of equally "hulking" trans women who we are expected to share spaces with and trans activists lose the plot when we point out their obvious maleness.

At least you’ve got 0 per cent chance of that female marine raping you. So if males with a trans identity are getting beaten up in the mens room (allegedly), why is that womens problem? We’re not the ones beating them up. If men are so bigoted that they can’t accept gender non conforming males in their spaces, you need to talk to them and tell them to cope with it.
If Elliot page commited a crime, would you send her to male prison. She’s not a hulking marine. So would she be safe in male gen pop? If so then so would a six foot male with a trans identity.

so you're confirming you're full of shit.

Still a woman. Still can use the women only spaces.

Someone being me gin!

I absolutely welcome biologically female 'transmen' into women's bathrooms.
Especially if it keeps 'transwomen' in male bathrooms.

I don't really want anyone with an automatic rifle in the loo, thanks.

LOL

No I'm suggesting you are.

Is this another one of those faux gotcha threads? Yawn. I’m off to make baileys hot chocolate. Anyone want one?

A 'hulking' AFAB can't get a woman pregnant, and is statistically hugely unlikely to sexually assault or rape a woman, of course.

If they's taken enough T and done enough surgery to look convincing then I think that yes, they should use the men's spaces because they might make some women uncomfortable or anxious.

They aren't going to be a threat to anyone (although their own threat would be increased if they use the male spaces, but that's presumably something they've chosen to do.)

A FTM person using male spaces is not the exact equivalent of a MTF person using female spaces. In so very many ways and for very obvious reasons.

I've had rather a lot of cheese. Have you got a nice malt, instead?

Oh I do! I have whisky. Not sure what kind as I don’t drink it. It’s for guests lol. I seem to have missed all the cheese 😭😭😭.

Swap you a whisky for this very softly ripened Manchego and some lovely Membrillo.

Why yes id bat a lot of eyelashes, erm I mean eyelids at that. I'd probably if the reality was like the picture ask them if they were in the right toilet. But that's on them for doing that to their body. If that person is a woman they are entitled to go in the women's facilities.

They aren't going to be a threat to anyone (although their own threat would be increased if they use the male spaces, but that's presumably something they've chosen to do.)

Sorry, I mean 'their own risk'. Too much cheese and whisky.

Mmm. Yes please. I’ve had a cheeseless week.

Have we been told to be kind yet or did they go straight to bigot and transphobe?

Please. Extra Bailey's

rightyo. And squirts cream?