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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Transmaxxing

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pattihews · 07/01/2023 15:48

Article in Unherd by Mary Harrington about 'transmaxxing', a phenomenon in which young men transition because they can, not because they have dysphoria but in some vague hope of having sex with sympathetic women.

It's reminded me of Ollie London, who assumed that just because you can do something (in his case have surgery to make him look Korean) it's okay. No ideological awareness, no ethics, just a why not? kind of attitude.

unherd.com/thepost/why-are-incels-turning-themselves-into-girls/

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Boiledbeetle · 10/01/2023 20:37

paulinesmithson · 10/01/2023 20:10

I find it disgusting you chose to upload a picture of someone on here to shame them, especially for their appearance. I'm assuming you're a grown adult and you should know better than this

Could not care less what you think that photo was published online by someone taking hormones who put those photos out there. No one asked him to to. That's how he chose to show himself to the world. You got a problem take it up with him.the first photo was at one month the second at ten months of him taking hormones.

Enough with your faux outrage.

ReunitedThorns · 10/01/2023 20:39

HootyMcboob76 · 10/01/2023 20:36

No medical diagnosis of dysphoria needed now in Scotland, and you can do this from AGE 16.

So perfectly legitimate to be trans without ever having seen a doctor.

Self ID after all.

The law defines a Jaffa Cake as a cake, not a biscuit.

The law can be changed, and we shouldn't be using the law as a cop out to a question on identity.

It's a question about whether the law is correct or not.

Helleofabore · 10/01/2023 21:41

Ok. So we have

‘miniscule’
’fake’
’satire’
’who cares’

Have I missed any? The reality is as everyone points out, no one can say transmaxxers are not real. It is transphobic to do so and I am really interested that no one of ELO’s posts have been reported and deleted …

The hypocrisy really is stark.

HootyMcboob76 · 10/01/2023 21:51

Helleofabore · 10/01/2023 21:41

Ok. So we have

‘miniscule’
’fake’
’satire’
’who cares’

Have I missed any? The reality is as everyone points out, no one can say transmaxxers are not real. It is transphobic to do so and I am really interested that no one of ELO’s posts have been reported and deleted …

The hypocrisy really is stark.

Yes the hypocrisy and double standards on here are unbelievable.

If I were to say a certain category of people did not exist I would be deleted or most likely reported by either a TRA or one of their brethren.

Maybe we should try it out in another thread and see how long we last.

EastLondonObserver · 10/01/2023 22:00

Interesting my thread got deleted.

Will be reporting all comments accusing transsexuals of being motivated by a sexual fetish from now on.

You have been warned!!

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 10/01/2023 22:02

Grow up

Boiledbeetle · 10/01/2023 22:03

EastLondonObserver · 10/01/2023 22:00

Interesting my thread got deleted.

Will be reporting all comments accusing transsexuals of being motivated by a sexual fetish from now on.

You have been warned!!

Huh?

LaughingPriest · 10/01/2023 22:03

Did you take my advice to read the Talk guidelines?

It would've saved you a bit of bother.
Bit kink-shaming that you call it an 'accusation' of having a fetish. Do you think that it is wrong?

ScrollingLeaves · 10/01/2023 22:07

HiccupHorrendousHaddock · 08/01/2023 18:28
DS (early 20s) talks about "living in this vile meat suit" that needs washing and feeding and generally looking after when the 'important' stuff is his life online away from all that.

What an imaginative description of his reality!

That explains so much really as well.

pattihews · 10/01/2023 22:12

Perhaps you should educate yourself on what being trans actually means instead of shaming people

Actually, Pauline, could you define exactly what trans means, please, because we've got other trans supporters on this board who think a lot of transpeople lie about being trans. He thinks the Transmaxxers, or Kayla Lemieux (the teacher with the massive fake breasts) over in Canada or Karen White aren't trans — though he can't say why. Where do you stand on how to distinguish fake trans like the three listed above from real trans? Come on, educate us.

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pattihews · 10/01/2023 22:15

EastLondonObserver · 10/01/2023 22:00

Interesting my thread got deleted.

Will be reporting all comments accusing transsexuals of being motivated by a sexual fetish from now on.

You have been warned!!

When you say transexuals, what do you mean? Transexual is a very old-fashioned term and one that a lot of trans people would consider transphobic because it implies that you need to have full sexual reassignment surgery to be true trans. As you know, 97% of trans people don't have SRS. You were probably reported for transphobia by another TRA.

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pattihews · 10/01/2023 22:17

@paulinesmithson you need to talk to ELO. He's the trans supporter who thinks lots of people who say they're trans aren't. Educate him, would you? And he'll educate you back.

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HootyMcboob76 · 10/01/2023 22:18

EastLondonObserver · 10/01/2023 22:00

Interesting my thread got deleted.

Will be reporting all comments accusing transsexuals of being motivated by a sexual fetish from now on.

You have been warned!!

Are you saying that NO trans person EVER is motivated by a certain paraphilia in the DSM literature, that we are not permitted to mention here?

Helleofabore · 10/01/2023 22:24

EastLondonObserver · 10/01/2023 22:00

Interesting my thread got deleted.

Will be reporting all comments accusing transsexuals of being motivated by a sexual fetish from now on.

You have been warned!!

Has anyone said ‘all’ are like that?

Because maybe you should read the talk guidelines on this.

And by the way, imagine if we reported your posts rather than let them stand for readers to see just how transphobic you are. We don’t report because it is a great live demonstration. I suspect many of your posts would be deleted though.

HootyMcboob76 · 10/01/2023 22:27

HootyMcboob76 · 10/01/2023 22:18

Are you saying that NO trans person EVER is motivated by a certain paraphilia in the DSM literature, that we are not permitted to mention here?

Have a look at some of the YouTube videos of your "transsexuals" clearly motivated by what you deny to be true.

Also see Debbie Hayton, a real TW (according to the party line) who admits to this paraphilia and does not deny that this is a motivating factor for a lot of TW. And that's coming from a TW.

Are YOU a TW, ELO? How on earth would you know?

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 10/01/2023 23:38

have you ever listened to a young trans person

I've been listening to "young trans people" since I was 18, Pauline.

Helleofabore · 11/01/2023 09:59

Interestingly, a male barrister who regularly posts on this board has just gatekept another transitioned male from trans identity on twitter.

It became clear to me initially with the abuse detransitioners received. Often with the flourish if ‘you weren’t really trans’!

How very interesting and very clear once you start to see the hypocrisy that is integral to identifying as trans while denying women and girls the right to reject males using the words women and girls use to describe themselves to describe male people.

Whereas, I have never seen someone gatekeep a female from the female sex based on their beliefs. They are just a female with a difficult set of beliefs.

Once you see it, you cannot unsee it.

CryInToYourCornflakesNicola · 11/01/2023 11:27

EastLondonObserver · 10/01/2023 20:12

There should probably be a rule in Canada banning teachers from mounting political protests of any kind in school time. It’s time wasting and distracting.

Why do you think this is a political protest?

Do you know the teacher? Because iirc he is adamant this is his true self, no politics involved.

EastLondonObserver · 11/01/2023 11:33

“has just gatekept another transitioned male from trans identity on twitter.”

????

so much jargon on this board

Helleofabore · 11/01/2023 11:45

Jargon?

Google is your friend. 'gate keeping / gate keeper' is a rather common term, I am sure that you will work it out just from reading the post.

ArabellaScott · 11/01/2023 11:49

EastLondonObserver · 11/01/2023 11:33

“has just gatekept another transitioned male from trans identity on twitter.”

????

so much jargon on this board

A transwoman has told another transwoman that they are not, in fact, trans.

HTH.

ArabellaScott · 11/01/2023 11:50

If transwomen can't even agree on what constitutes 'true' trans I don't see how us mere women are supposed to be able to do so.

Helleofabore · 11/01/2023 11:55

The peak hypocrisy is that the same male has also questioned two women about their professional 'identities' and then another male about their 'identity', yet constantly lectures everyone on their, the male in question's, identity as a woman.

You really couldn't script this hypocrisy any better than this barrister is playing out unscripted in public at the moment.

And, the women's professional qualifications are fact, checkable and easily definable in a non-circular way and not some legal fiction. Go figure.

BordoisAgain · 11/01/2023 11:57

So, if i am following correctly...

Trans people are who they say they are and it's literal genocide to not accept without exception.

Except where its obviously someone joking about being trans

TERFs are bigoted old witches claiming some men might pretend to be trans in order to play out a fetish in public.

Except in cases where its obviously satire.

EastLondonObserver · 11/01/2023 12:33

Helleofabore · 11/01/2023 11:45

Jargon?

Google is your friend. 'gate keeping / gate keeper' is a rather common term, I am sure that you will work it out just from reading the post.

The post uses it as a verb - not common, at least, it seems, outside of slang in some corners of the internet.