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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Transmaxxing

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pattihews · 07/01/2023 15:48

Article in Unherd by Mary Harrington about 'transmaxxing', a phenomenon in which young men transition because they can, not because they have dysphoria but in some vague hope of having sex with sympathetic women.

It's reminded me of Ollie London, who assumed that just because you can do something (in his case have surgery to make him look Korean) it's okay. No ideological awareness, no ethics, just a why not? kind of attitude.

unherd.com/thepost/why-are-incels-turning-themselves-into-girls/

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NecessaryScene · 10/01/2023 20:16

There should probably be a rule in Canada banning teachers from mounting political protests of any kind in school time. It’s time wasting and distracting.

But how are you going to demonstrate that this is a protest, if you think it is?

Lots of people have been speculating that it's might be, or that he's trying to get fired and get a payout for "anti-trans" discrimination, but as far as anyone can tell, he's playing it totally straight, as are the school, and he's been at it for over a school year.

He's 100% "real trans" as far as we can tell, including by your "not satire" definition.

HootyMcboob76 · 10/01/2023 20:16

What fucking world are you living in when a fetishist can come to school dressed like that and the person you stick up for is not the CHILDREN being exposed to this fetish and made to validate and indulge it, BUT YOU STICK UP FOR THE FETISHIST.

Sick world.

EastLondonObserver · 10/01/2023 20:16

ArabellaScott · 10/01/2023 20:15

Okay. Next outlier!

Karen White. Is real transwoman or satire or fake?

We can spend all day playing this game, but I’ve already given you my answer.

ArabellaScott · 10/01/2023 20:17

On Karen White?

ArabellaScott · 10/01/2023 20:17

Real transwoman? Or fake? I can keep going through outliers. There are LOADS of them.

EastLondonObserver · 10/01/2023 20:17

NecessaryScene · 10/01/2023 20:16

There should probably be a rule in Canada banning teachers from mounting political protests of any kind in school time. It’s time wasting and distracting.

But how are you going to demonstrate that this is a protest, if you think it is?

Lots of people have been speculating that it's might be, or that he's trying to get fired and get a payout for "anti-trans" discrimination, but as far as anyone can tell, he's playing it totally straight, as are the school, and he's been at it for over a school year.

He's 100% "real trans" as far as we can tell, including by your "not satire" definition.

You must struggle in life if you can’t tell this stuff.

ArabellaScott · 10/01/2023 20:20

Can you tell if Karen White is real or not?

HootyMcboob76 · 10/01/2023 20:20

ArabellaScott · 10/01/2023 20:17

On Karen White?

Probably deep faked.
Or photoshopped.

Or something.

EastLondonObserver · 10/01/2023 20:20

ArabellaScott · 10/01/2023 20:17

Real transwoman? Or fake? I can keep going through outliers. There are LOADS of them.

i image you have quite the collection!

there are outliers around every issue.

NecessaryScene · 10/01/2023 20:20

You must struggle in life if you can’t tell this stuff.

Tell what? The difference between someone lying who believes it and someone lying who doesn't?

Why should I bother distinguishing the two? They're both lying.

And it doesn't matter, because the outcome is the same. If anyone around that idiot points out he's lying, they're in trouble.

What would you do when he's teaching your child? Are you going to say he's taking the piss? And be accused of being transphobic? Or keep your mouth shut?

LaughingPriest · 10/01/2023 20:22

Remember ELO doesn't know what 'trans' means so getting him to say what 'real trans' is is going to break his brain.
Oh, too late.

EastLondonObserver · 10/01/2023 20:22

NecessaryScene · 10/01/2023 20:20

You must struggle in life if you can’t tell this stuff.

Tell what? The difference between someone lying who believes it and someone lying who doesn't?

Why should I bother distinguishing the two? They're both lying.

And it doesn't matter, because the outcome is the same. If anyone around that idiot points out he's lying, they're in trouble.

What would you do when he's teaching your child? Are you going to say he's taking the piss? And be accused of being transphobic? Or keep your mouth shut?

I would probably ignore the tits and complain that he was bringing a personal political protest into school.

NecessaryScene · 10/01/2023 20:23

I would probably ignore the tits and complain that he was bringing a personal political protest into school.

What protest? There's no protest. It's all tits. (And makeup, and wig and miniskirt obvs).

EastLondonObserver · 10/01/2023 20:24

LaughingPriest · 10/01/2023 20:22

Remember ELO doesn't know what 'trans' means so getting him to say what 'real trans' is is going to break his brain.
Oh, too late.

Uh?

nepeta · 10/01/2023 20:27

I read that the Ontario law protects 'gender expression.' Given that the concept doesn't seem to have been defined in any concrete words, this person with the humongous artificial breasts can argue that carrying them around is gender expression.

That this particular form of 'gender expression' ridicules the female sex appears not to matter.

ArabellaScott · 10/01/2023 20:27

One man's gender expression is another woman's exhibitionist fetish.

NecessaryScene · 10/01/2023 20:28

this person with the humongous artificial breasts can argue that carrying them around is gender expression.

That is what the school board said in a statement.

"Gender identity and gender expression are protected grounds under the Ontario Human Rights Code," said a representative for the school board. "As this is a personnel matter, we cannot provide further information."

NecessaryScene · 10/01/2023 20:31

Oh, there was an internal report later. They concluded they couldn't ask him to stop it because it could violate his gender expression rights.

“It is important to recognize the impact that dress code policies can have on members of the transgender community,” said the report from the Halton District School Board (HDSB). “Most notably, it is important for employers to make allowances to ensure that these employees are able to express themselves in accordance with their lived gender.”

...

“It is clear from the above analysis that the implementation of a formal staff dress code or grooming standards would likely expose the Board to considerable liability,” said the report in conclusion. “Even if a dress code is implemented for non-discriminatory reasons, it would likely be found to be discriminatory where it adversely affects an employee or group of employers on the basis of their Code-protected rights.”

ReunitedThorns · 10/01/2023 20:31

paulinesmithson · 10/01/2023 20:09

This is incorrect, have you ever listened to a young trans person? Perhaps you should educate yourself on what being trans actually means instead of shaming people

This is a topic about "transmaxxers" these are teenage boys and young men who do not suffer from gender dysphoria but decide to transition because they feel their life will be better.

Could you define "trans person" and what exactly is shaming by trying to understand why non gender dysphoric young men want to change sex?

A lot of people seem to be struggling with who is and isn't trans now. It seems like they have a fixed stereotype and unable to accept diversity within the trans community.

Boiledbeetle · 10/01/2023 20:33

EastLondonObserver · 10/01/2023 20:09

so you want me to say:

no its not OK

so can say ‘well that’s the problem with self ID’

but it’s just one absurdist idiot.

who cares.

We Fucking do

ReunitedThorns · 10/01/2023 20:34

A simple question for all of those who seem to struggle with defining who is trans:

"Does someone have to have gender dysphoria in order to be trans?"

This would mean medical diagnosis before treatment or GRC is given.

OldCrone · 10/01/2023 20:34

EastLondonObserver · 10/01/2023 20:22

I would probably ignore the tits and complain that he was bringing a personal political protest into school.

I'm pretty sure complaints have been made on all sorts of grounds. But the school board have remained firm that everyone has the right to 'gender expression'.

You do appear to be one of those posters who has come here to scold us for our ignorance, but in doing so has shown that it is you that hasn't a clue about what is actually going on.

OldCrone · 10/01/2023 20:36

ReunitedThorns · 10/01/2023 20:34

A simple question for all of those who seem to struggle with defining who is trans:

"Does someone have to have gender dysphoria in order to be trans?"

This would mean medical diagnosis before treatment or GRC is given.

And if they don't have to have gender dysphoria, what does 'being trans' mean?

HootyMcboob76 · 10/01/2023 20:36

ReunitedThorns · 10/01/2023 20:34

A simple question for all of those who seem to struggle with defining who is trans:

"Does someone have to have gender dysphoria in order to be trans?"

This would mean medical diagnosis before treatment or GRC is given.

No medical diagnosis of dysphoria needed now in Scotland, and you can do this from AGE 16.

So perfectly legitimate to be trans without ever having seen a doctor.

Self ID after all.