1 in 585 trans women are currently incarcerated for sexual offences

[GCITC]

Thanks to the census data, we can now show that 1 in every 585 trans women and England and Wales are convicted sex offenders.

That compares to 1 in every 2500-3000 men and 1 in every 243000 women.

twitter.com/mar2vickers/status/1611484662093828127?t=qo7fa3NkWyf_Qe-hRb9sUw&s=19

twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1611682182405160961?t=Kv1nsuxwEr3WlpagKYi7jA&s=19

So which is it? Are trans women inherently more dangerous than men that don't identify as trans, or are men pretending to me trans in order to offend?

The answer doesn't actually matter. The same solution fixes both issues.

[Boiledbeetle]

@SaintLoy

584 in 585 trans women are not convicted sex offenders.

Can you point that other one out to me then? Because i can't p oint to the men that are rapists and the ones that aren't so what so special about this group?

[DialSquare]

@SaintLoy

584 in 585 trans women are not convicted sex offenders.

I can't believe someone has actually posted this. They've sat there and typed it out. Unbelievable.

[EfingNora]

@Boiledbeetle

Shows exactly what we've been shouting about all along. But what do we know we are just a bunch of stupid terf bigots with low IQ

You missed the bit about being in league with the far right.

[NecessaryScene]

2,499 in 2,500 men are not convicted sex offenders - let's make everything mixed sex!

One thing to bear in mind is that the current rates of male offending against women are in an environment with still largely effective safeguarding and segregation where necessary.

You're not looking at the baseline rates when that's not in place.

So one possible factor for the higher rate for "transwomen" could be due the increased opportunity they've been given by getting a pass on access to women's spaces, or women letting their guard down around them. It may be closer to the underlying non-safeguarded male risk.

[CryInToYourCornflakesNicola]

@SaintLoy

584 in 585 trans women are not convicted sex offenders.

Did you mean to post this?

Great, so happy most tw are safe, even better, with the stats as they are, tw are safe as houses in the mens. Cant justify being in with the women now.

[IcakethereforeIam]

To help keep male sex offenders, however they identify, out prisons with vulnerable women please sign and share the following

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4668426-petition-update-the-equality-act-to-make-clear-the-characteristic-sex-is-biological-sex

[Boiledbeetle]

@EfingNora

You missed the bit about being in league with the far right.

Bugger I did. Look at me all far rightwing! And everything.

[EfingNora]

That bloody census is so darned transphobic! I demand a recount! Ref! He was offside! Waaaah! I want my mummy!
That's all I've got to say on the matter.

[Sazzasez]

@NotBadConsidering

I think we need to see the MOJ stats on trans prisoners to be sure that the 125 women sex offenders definitely doesn’t include male who’ve successfully got their sex hidden in MOJ data. Of course this would only make it look worse for the TW ratio because it would add to the 82 who are known to be male, but it’s testament to the times that when I see “women sex offenders” written my instinct is to think it includes males.

Iirc that excludes TW prisoners with a GRC.

And it only includes currently incarcerated offenders - it was 92 serious sexual
offenders this time last year.

[LK1972]

Good point @NecessaryScene. Obviously I was not actually suggesting making everything mixed-sex in earnest, but your post is a helpful reminder of what 'transwomen are women' mentality allows to happen - removal of safeguards for women and exposing them to predators.

[Helleofabore]

@NecessaryScene

2,499 in 2,500 men are not convicted sex offenders - let's make everything mixed sex!

One thing to bear in mind is that the current rates of male offending against women are in an environment with still largely effective safeguarding and segregation where necessary.

You're not looking at the baseline rates when that's not in place.

So one possible factor for the higher rate for "transwomen" could be due the increased opportunity they've been given by getting a pass on access to women's spaces, or women letting their guard down around them. It may be closer to the underlying non-safeguarded male risk.

All good points, necessary.

[ClitoralViolence]

@SaintLoy

584 in 585 trans women are not convicted sex offenders.

Thats hardly a high bar is it?

And thats the convicted ones. Hospitals are denying that rapes took place, when CCTV evidence confirms that actually they did.
If we consider how biased the public is towards transwomen, how many are getting away with it in broad daylight and not being convicted, arrested or even investigated because the police are captured by the ideology of this "most oppressed, most abused" demographic?

[WomanIsBiology]

Interesting timing of a new AMA thread with a purported forensic psychologist. Basically seems to be saying the opposite of this thread and transwomen/ males no problem in women’s prisons,women are worse etc etc.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/AMA/4714656-im-a-forensic-psychologist-working-across-male-and-female-prisons-in-england-ama

And I do, have mentioned in a previous reply but it’s a lot better for all involved for a transwoman to be housed in a protected wing in a women’s prison when looking at risk vs reward. Quite honestly if I were to be imprisoned next week I’d prefer to take my chances being housed with a transwoman compared to most of the women I come across in my day job. If you’ve ever seen the aftermath of a crotching incident you’d understand.

I think their AMA would benefit from some more questions

[SinnerBoy]

EfingNora · Today 16:34

You missed the bit about being in league with the far right.

And the Christian Taliban!

[WomanIsBiology]

Lurking previously BTW. Should have posted that this data reminds of what we do already know. This needs to be front page news. No more silencing and misdirection.

[Jarnsaxa]

Well that's a surprise.
I'd also like to know how many others have been convicted of violent crimes in general. Assault, gbh, abh, domestic violence etc.

[ClitoralViolence]

@CryInToYourCornflakesNicola

Did you mean to post this?

Great, so happy most tw are safe, even better, with the stats as they are, tw are safe as houses in the mens. Cant justify being in with the women now.

Looking at these statistics, in prisons, transwomen are most at risk from themselves, not any other demographic.

[PissedOffAmericanWoman]

I’m sure that TRA’s will suggest these numbers are inflated because they are being unfairly targeted and discriminated against and say that this is just because of transphobes framing them. 🥲

[lifeturnsonadime]

@WomanIsBiology

Interesting timing of a new AMA thread with a purported forensic psychologist. Basically seems to be saying the opposite of this thread and transwomen/ males no problem in women’s prisons,women are worse etc etc.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/AMA/4714656-im-a-forensic-psychologist-working-across-male-and-female-prisons-in-england-ama

And I do, have mentioned in a previous reply but it’s a lot better for all involved for a transwoman to be housed in a protected wing in a women’s prison when looking at risk vs reward. Quite honestly if I were to be imprisoned next week I’d prefer to take my chances being housed with a transwoman compared to most of the women I come across in my day job. If you’ve ever seen the aftermath of a crotching incident you’d understand.

I think their AMA would benefit from some more questions

i was just coming over to post this.

[SomeCommonThing]

And that's just the convicted ones.

[DworkinWasRight]

@Snippit

I’ve seen data that only 20% of male to female trans have had there genitalia surgery, male to female.

If they profess to wanting to be a woman WHY keep the willy!! Incredulous. Being a woman is putting up with period pain, and a period every sodding month for nearly 40 years. Then there’s menopause, don’t get me started, oh, and I forgot childbirth.

I bloody hate how it undermines our safety and identify as women, just what is wrong with these politicians. J K Rowling is bob on with what she says. We need to keep women safe.

This is useful about the stats on surgery: fairplayforwomen.com/penis/

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

And that's just the convicted ones.

Yes, it's going to be higher across all cohorts.

[Sazzasez]

@Jarnsaxa

Well that's a surprise.
I'd also like to know how many others have been convicted of violent crimes in general. Assault, gbh, abh, domestic violence etc.

146 current convicted prisoners identify as TW, of whom 82 for serious sexual offences, so 64 are in for other crimes. 5 are in the female estate.

Important to remember these are currently incarcerated convicts.

The number on the sex offenders register or with a criminal record who’ve served their time will be a higher % of the 48,000.

I believe the MoJ figures exclude TW with a GRC, who are counted as female.

Anecdotally we see TW being given non-custodial sentences on grounds of how hard they’d have it in prison. Hard to assess how common that is though.