1 in 585 trans women are currently incarcerated for sexual offences

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Thanks to the census data, we can now show that 1 in every 585 trans women and England and Wales are convicted sex offenders.

That compares to 1 in every 2500-3000 men and 1 in every 243000 women.

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So which is it? Are trans women inherently more dangerous than men that don't identify as trans, or are men pretending to me trans in order to offend?

The answer doesn't actually matter. The same solution fixes both issues.

I think Apollo was being sarcastic.

Worth repeating this. That loophole in the DBS system that trans organisations argued successfully for that undermines child safeguarding - just as SweetSakura demonstrates.

Yes it horrifies me that we have all these safeguarding rules and yet sex offenders could slip through all the checks by deciding to identify as female

This is so interesting. And absolute vindication for everyone expressing concern about the Scottish gender recognition bill. I hope to see something in the Sunday times about this.

Oops.

It's all right, we've all embarrassed ourselves like that ay least once!

Well that's at least something new to write to my MSPs about. I don't have great hopes though as I have asked repeatedly whether the high rate of TW in prison for violent crime is because Self ID is fucking stupid being abused or if TW are just more violent
answers there were none

Yes it's good to have the data to back up letters to MPs etc.

Such stark differences cannot be explained or massaged away.

1 in 585 compared to 1 in 2500-3,000
1 in 2,500-3,000 compared to 1 in 243,000
And 1 in 585 compared to 1 in 243,000

Those figures are the headline and the article itself. Nothing else needed.

Yes I hope the Sunday papers make hay

I thin you've misunderstood the post

HopRockers · Today 14:50

Well that's at least something new to write to my MSPs about. I don't have great hopes though as I have asked repeatedly whether the high rate of TW in prison for violent crime is because Self ID is fucking stupid being abused or if TW are just more violent answers there were none

You're unlikely to receive a meaningful, or honest answer to that. It'd mean that your MSP would have to review their ideology.

Yeah although for many it's less ideology & more the SNP "do as yer telt" issue.

One had a long conversation with me about the concern of basically making indecent exposure legal in women's changing rooms - he still fucking voted for it. OTOH he also told me that female prisoners were violent unlike the misunderstood & harshly sentenced male prisoners so "just thick" is also possible

Well I'll be shouting this from the rooftops.

So, if I've understood it correctly, trans women are 415 times more likely to be convicted of a sex offence than the old-fashioned cunty kind of woman?

Poor old Apollo was too successful in their TRA logic!

I think proper research needs to be undertaken into this issue. A third possibility is that the factors which contribute to sexual offending by males also increase the likelihood of gender dysphoria or AGP or other related paraphilias.

It would be foolish of TRAs to try to suppress such research, or to accuse anyone who wants to conduct it in good faith of transphobia, especially when the stats are so alarming. Unless there's research evidence indicating that sex offenders are more likely to be 'trans' (whatever that means) than the general population (i.e. it's the sex offending that's dominant or comes first, not transness) the assumption will always be that transwomen generally are more likely to be sex offenders or that criminals are attracted to transitioning to get more lenient treatment or make reoffending easier. Are there any criminologist already looking into this? The Census and MoJ figures should help any funding bids.

I'm not claiming this makes women feel any safer. It doesn't change the 1 in 585 figure and we still wouldn't know which trans-identified men are the predators (apart from the convicted ones) and which aren't.

Surely they’d want to be able to clearly distinguish between trans women and problematic men posing as them for nefarious purposes

Well they may want to now separate out, but I and many others will point out that for a very long time
People are who they say they are,
Twaw,
No one ever lies about being trans,

And it doesn't matter anyway, I want none of them in with women in our very very few sex segregated spaces.

Yeah their only one line of defence they could have used against this and when we tried to tell them they poo pooed the idea.

Well tough. They come under your inclusive 🌂🌂🌂 now so sorry, but this is trans just like the rest.

Yes @RoyalCorgi, it does mean that transwomen are 400-odd times more likely to be sex offenders than women, which rather underlies the fact that transwomen are NOT women, doesn't it?

So next time anyone quotes TWAW at me I will thank the TRAs who insisted on the gender feelz question in the census and point out that TW are not only 5 times more likely to be sex offenders than men, but 400 times more likely to be so than women. I look forward to it

584 in 585 trans women are not convicted sex offenders.

HopRockers

He may be thick, but I doubt that's the only thing wrong with him. They toe the party line, in order to get on.

SaintLoy · Today 15:58

584 in 585 trans women are not convicted sex offenders.

That may be so, but you have ignored the ratio, which is very much higher than in women and five times that of men.

Wow, let's rejoice and celebrate their stunning bravery then!

2,499 in 2,500 men are not convicted sex offenders - let's make everything mixed sex!

242,999 in 243,000 women are not convicted sex offenders - no need for DBS checks for women anymore

This data is dynamite.

I hope someone is shoving it under the Scottish Chief Feminist's nose.