Feminism: Sex & gender discussions
1 in 585 trans women are currently incarcerated for sexual offences
GCITC · 07/01/2023 12:11
Thanks to the census data, we can now show that 1 in every 585 trans women and England and Wales are convicted sex offenders.
That compares to 1 in every 2500-3000 men and 1 in every 243000 women.
So which is it? Are trans women inherently more dangerous than men that don't identify as trans, or are men pretending to me trans in order to offend?
The answer doesn't actually matter. The same solution fixes both issues.
OneMorePlant · 07/01/2023 12:35
I could meme and say i'm shocked but really it's worse then I thought.
These men are 5 times more likely then any other man to be a sex offender. Just think how weary a lot of us are from men in general. They are 5 times more dangerous to us.
And we are told that not wanting them in our spaces is us being unkind.
I am generally really upset that us women mean so little. That we are worth so little that this is just brushed off.
I honestly feel sick.
NecessaryScene · 07/01/2023 12:45
And I assume there are no "trans men" sex offenders? Out of 48,000? That is consistent with the population (but could also be consistent with it being a few times higher).
As ever, the behaviour of trans people fully reflects their sex.
(That's the main reason I reject "gender identity" - all real-life evidence clearly does not bear out the hypothesis. This isn't like "phlogiston" - a bad explanation for something we see (things burning). It's a bad explanation for something we DON'T see - opposite-sex behaviour doesn't actually occur).
postcardpuffin · 07/01/2023 12:48
Interesting to ponder the reaction of TRAs back before the census, when they were advising trans people to falsify their census data by not identifying themselves as trans. And the furious kerfuffles about
Fair Play and other women’s organisations challenging the ONS to record proper data on gender identification vs sex.
Because (a) now we can see some data on the number of trans people and (b) it shows how important accurate reporting of sex vs gender is. Plus (c) if transwomen were encouraged to under-report themselves, then that was, as many women pointed out, a massive own goal in a whole number of ways, which TRAs seemed not to have realised.
Though, (d) since we have no evidence that suggests we shouldn’t take these census statistics at face value, the hard data suggests some conclusions that TRAs may not want to face. Oh dear!
More and increasingly robust data is needed. Much more light and research. More and more statistics. Because we are starting to see what’s underneath all the false stats and opinion and bluster about the “most oppressed” group, who may look, with some hard evidence, a lot different to the mythology and ideology that’s grown up around it all.
NotBadConsidering · 07/01/2023 12:52
I think we need to see the MOJ stats on trans prisoners to be sure that the 125 women sex offenders definitely doesn’t include male who’ve successfully got their sex hidden in MOJ data. Of course this would only make it look worse for the TW ratio because it would add to the 82 who are known to be male, but it’s testament to the times that when I see “women sex offenders” written my instinct is to think it includes males.
postcardpuffin · 07/01/2023 12:53
Just to add to my post above, more and more we see that this whole ideology really is a movement for the hard of thinking. And especially for those who find it really difficult to think logically or seriously about data and statistics, about the consequences of ideologies for social policies in the justice system, healthcare, education and so on. And it really does run counter to everything we should expect the public sphere to be about —facts, data, truth, consequences; and not bluster, made-up narratives, ideological and religiose fixations, irrational belief systems.
RoyalCorgi · 07/01/2023 12:58
This is dynamite. The endlessly repeated mantra "there is no evidence that trans women are more likely to commit sex offences than women" is shown to be demonstrably false. Not only are they far more likely to commit sex offences than women, they are several times more likely to commit sex offences than other men. I think this must be the first time there has been really hard, solid evidence of this.
Well, well, well.
Boiledbeetle · 07/01/2023 13:01
KangarooKenny · 07/01/2023 13:00
That’s very true, about them being more likely to commit offences than men. What does that show 🤔
Shows exactly what we've been shouting about all along. But what do we know we are just a bunch of stupid terf bigots with low IQ
Boiledbeetle · 07/01/2023 13:16
Helleofabore · 07/01/2023 13:14
Colour me surprised at that result.
what did they think would happen?
or …. Are we not supposed to consider the census as legitimate official data?
Well…. They wanted proof!
I know Right. Who would have thunk it us low status dim witted women knew what we are taking about!
Shall we play the But but but excuses game?
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