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h2Oo · 2022-12-29T21:05:22+00:00

Okay, so I'd like some good old reasoning on this as I appreciate a lot of you are more insightful than me! I believe men have 0 place in women's toilets, changing families or women only spaces. But this tripped me up... what do I say to this? It popped up on twitter and I don't know what to argument would be This woman was questioned because she looks too masculine. But she is indeed a biological woman through and through https://www.itv.com/news/central/2022-12-26/cancer-survivor-challenged-at-public-toilets-after-being-mistaken-for-a-man What is the answer? I just don't know

ofwarren · 30/12/2022 00:52

Onnabugeisha · 30/12/2022 00:51

I have. Every reputable news site says she is Tiffany Liles-Taylor and uses pronouns if she/her. It is only on Twitter that the weird claim that she actually goes by Taylor and they/them appears along with what looks like a photo lifted from the news and a clear name badge added.

The image you have is from Twitter.

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Erm, the image is from Google!
Google her yourself and look

ofwarren · 30/12/2022 00:56

Onnabugeisha · 30/12/2022 00:51

I have. Every reputable news site says she is Tiffany Liles-Taylor and uses pronouns if she/her. It is only on Twitter that the weird claim that she actually goes by Taylor and they/them appears along with what looks like a photo lifted from the news and a clear name badge added.

The image you have is from Twitter.

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Google yourself and go on images.
Zoom in on the photo I have circled.
The newspaper have blurred out the badge in the article, but not in the thumbnail.
It's clearly the Leicester Mercury, not from twitter.

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 30/12/2022 00:59

I'm not "just a lady". I'm fucking brilliant
I'm sure you are "fucking brilliant" but that's not what I was getting at, which you maybe already know? Or you genuinely don't, who knows.
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I meant "I'm just a little lady I can't possibly mean any harm, why are people scared we just talk about prams and baking?!" Kind of weaponising womanhood for want of a better expression, it's twisted.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 30/12/2022 00:59

@Onnabugeisha

Yes GC women have turned GNC women and girls into cannon fodder. No, I don’t want to turn all women into cannon fodder either. You’re stuck in the web of propaganda that has told you that you must hurt women and girls out of fear for other women and girls. It’s not necessary.

Great! I agree!

What's your solution?

FlirtsWithRhinos · 30/12/2022 01:01

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 30/12/2022 00:59

I'm not "just a lady". I'm fucking brilliant
I'm sure you are "fucking brilliant" but that's not what I was getting at, which you maybe already know? Or you genuinely don't, who knows.
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I meant "I'm just a little lady I can't possibly mean any harm, why are people scared we just talk about prams and baking?!" Kind of weaponising womanhood for want of a better expression, it's twisted.

Seriously, that is so far from how I think it's just funny. I'm afraid all that stuff is coming out of your own head.

LK1972 · 30/12/2022 01:03

@RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella 'weaponising womanhood' 😂😂😂😂😂

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RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 30/12/2022 01:03

FlirtsWithRhinos · 30/12/2022 01:01

Seriously, that is so far from how I think it's just funny. I'm afraid all that stuff is coming out of your own head.

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Genuinely glad you didn't mean that, have seen it in the past on here though.
Apologies then if doesn't apply to you

DdraigGoch · 30/12/2022 01:04

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 30/12/2022 00:23

not conforming to stereotypes is something that is very clearly accepted on this board
All well and good being in social media land and words on a page saying you are, but RL clearly says otherwise if gender non conforming women are getting challenged for not being feminine looking enough, or would feel upset or intimidated being confronted in the toilets when out and about.

If, if, if...

Just how often do you think actual women are getting challenged? As far as I'm aware it's incredibly rare.

Onnabugeisha · 30/12/2022 01:04

Why are some women (I assume) on this thread so keen on women not challenging perceived men in the toilets,

Because there are millions of GNC women, but only thousands of TW…
So this practice is going to harm almost exclusively GNC women. It’s like burning a haystack to try and melt a single needle.
Also, many women have stated that if a suspected TW is physically intimidating, they do not challenge them. It’s even on this thread. Which means that actual males are often not being challenged.
So it’s a fallacy to try and say that all masculine presenting people are being challenged, when they aren’t. So it’s not achieving it’s stated purpose of keeping males out.

Therefore, this practice doesn’t actually stop TW, but only serves to publicly humiliate and stress GNC women/girls.

Onnabugeisha · 30/12/2022 01:06

ofwarren · 30/12/2022 00:56

Google yourself and go on images.
Zoom in on the photo I have circled.
The newspaper have blurred out the badge in the article, but not in the thumbnail.
It's clearly the Leicester Mercury, not from twitter.

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I zoom in and it’s still blurred out.

Onnabugeisha · 30/12/2022 01:06

I zoom in and it’s still blurred out.

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I’m on an iPad too, so it’s not a small phone screen.

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 30/12/2022 01:06

DdraigGoch · 30/12/2022 01:04

If, if, if...

Just how often do you think actual women are getting challenged? As far as I'm aware it's incredibly rare.

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The thread in question is about one.
Somebody else on here said they are repeatedly misgendered and laughingly called Sir and it would bother them being challenged.
So not really rare as you make out (how many instances of it happening is ok in your eyes?)

ofwarren · 30/12/2022 01:06

Onnabugeisha · 30/12/2022 01:06

I zoom in and it’s still blurred out.

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Don't zoom in on my image, Google it yourself so you can see.
It's there. Everyone else can see it's there.

ofwarren · 30/12/2022 01:08

ofwarren · 30/12/2022 01:06

Don't zoom in on my image, Google it yourself so you can see.
It's there. Everyone else can see it's there.

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I'm on a phone and can see it clearly

WendelineTestaburger · 30/12/2022 01:08

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DdraigGoch · 30/12/2022 01:08

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 30/12/2022 00:29

Women are allowed to defend their right to feel safe
Unless you're one that's seemingly not prettily feminine enough and then you can be challenged and misgendered all you like and told to get out.
I know I'd find that a bit intimidating if that happened to me (I'd give as good as I got but it would shake you a bit I imagine!)

"This is the ladies, you know"

"I should hope so, that's why I'm here"

"Sorry, I didn't mean to offend"

Sounds oh so terribly intimidating, I'm sure that you'd be a nervous wreck.

Onnabugeisha · 30/12/2022 01:11

ofwarren · 30/12/2022 00:52

Erm, the image is from Google!
Google her yourself and look

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Have done. Only the image linked to Twitter is clear.

DdraigGoch · 30/12/2022 01:11

Onnabugeisha · 30/12/2022 00:33

That’s all well and good. But doesn’t explain the apparent necessity of destroying any woman who is publicly challenged and says they are upset about the experiences they frequently endure. (Not saying you are doing this personally- referring to the Twitter thread and other similar ones from similar cases).

Posting a doctored photo on Twitter to convince GC women that Tiffany is really called Taylor and goes by they/them is a pretty shit move to be honest. I don’t believe it at all. If she really did go by Taylor and they/them, then the article published 3 days ago would not have repeatedly dead named and mis-gendered her. Also her Facebook page would surely not have her dead name on it either.

Those same tweets are then repeated here as if it the information were true with insinuations that she intended to pass for male. It’s quite depressing really, who is manipulating information and why? What else regarding the “gender wars” is literally fake news?

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Any "doctoring" is a figment of your imagination.

WendelineTestaburger · 30/12/2022 01:12

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LK1972 · 30/12/2022 01:12

@Onnabugeisha Asking someone if they are in the right toilet is going to harm women, really? You're not making sense.

ofwarren · 30/12/2022 01:13

Onnabugeisha · 30/12/2022 01:11

Have done. Only the image linked to Twitter is clear.

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🙄
You just don't want to admit it.
It is a photo from the LEICESTER MERCURY. It clearly says it is.
It doesn't say fucking twitter

DdraigGoch · 30/12/2022 01:14

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 30/12/2022 00:40

Someone made a mistake. Shit happens. No one died as a result.
No one died that's ok then.
Shit happens?!
Nice.
Fuck women, if they are physically or verbally. challenged in the toilets and feel threatened
Shit happens.
Wow

Well you appear to consider the risk of a woman or child being assaulted to be lesser than the apparently dire consequences of hurty feelings.

Onnabugeisha · 30/12/2022 01:15

LK1972 · 30/12/2022 01:12

@Onnabugeisha Asking someone if they are in the right toilet is going to harm women, really? You're not making sense.

Public harassment of any kind is a harm. 🤷‍♀️
And it’s usually more than asking, often staff and security guards get involved.

Onnabugeisha · 30/12/2022 01:17

ofwarren · 30/12/2022 01:13

🙄
You just don't want to admit it.
It is a photo from the LEICESTER MERCURY. It clearly says it is.
It doesn't say fucking twitter

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Well why is your image not on Leicester Mercury’s article but on Twitter then?
www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/cancer-survivor-who-double-mastectomy-7879053?int_source=nba

I can pull up what you screen shotted, but when I zoom in, it is blurred out like all the other photos on Leicester mercury..,