Page 9 | SNP MSPs will be whipped to vote in favour of gender recognition reforms

Criticycle · 2022-10-26T19:17:55+00:00

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-msps-will-be-whipped-to-vote-in-favour-of-gender-recognition-reforms-3894529 Nicola Sturgeon is now going to force members to vote in favour of gender recognition reform. I feel like she does not understand that this is such a wedge issue that this might cripple the SNP for decades to come.

JanieAllen · 27/10/2022 19:03

Miles Briggs? fucker I've been writing to him for YEARS about this

ClosedAuraOpenMind · 27/10/2022 19:04

ArabellaScott · 27/10/2022 16:14

John Mason not supporting. Good on him.

can't believe there's someone on the feminist board supporting John Mason. FFS

weebarra · 27/10/2022 19:05

Me too! Ash Regan is clearly a woman of principle.

Smilelesstalkmore · 27/10/2022 19:10

In her speech Emma Roddick said that she had been assaulted and that her attacker 'did not have to make a statutory declaration to legally change his gender to cause the harm that he did'.

This is not an argument for GRA reform. Arguing to remove certain safeguards, because those safeguards are only relevant in some situations, is dangerous and completely lacks critical thinking.

nilsmousehammer · 27/10/2022 19:12

Smilelesstalkmore · 27/10/2022 18:32

This doesn't make any sense. How can something which allows you to change your legal SEX not have any bearing whatsoever on single SEX spaces? The word is right there!

What the fuck does 'single sex spaces' mean if anyone can change their legal sex with no gatekeeping?

All this 'chill out ladies, why are you getting so hysterical? This reform which allows you to legally change you sex, totally isn't going to affect any laws which are based on sex, what a silly scaremongering thought'.

This is just batshittery.

Beyond disingenous.

Protect female only spaces and create third spaces, while being clear that these are only for those biologically and 'living as' female for those who need their language twisted and jumped through hoops to be able to understand it.

Protect children and safeguard them properly.

A lot of the arguments are settled.

So why do they not do this?

Because they know it is utterly incompatible with the bullshit they are spouting about 'it makes no difference

Waitwhat23 · 27/10/2022 19:14

Susan Dalgety on Twitter -

'Predicament for Nicola Sturgeon. If she withdraws whip from 9 who voted against/abstained on GRR, she loses her majority and is in hock to Greens. If she doesn't act, she loses authority in group. Whatever, she is no longer omnipotent. Interesting.'

twitter.com/DalgetySusan/status/1585676800302235648?s=20&t=7yQECZktu80gjs-dzJRPzQ

Runningslow · 27/10/2022 19:17

I wonder how many MSPs have trans family members, as I find this stops them seeing the concerns

ArabellaScott · 27/10/2022 19:18

Waitwhat23 · 27/10/2022 19:14

Susan Dalgety on Twitter -

'Predicament for Nicola Sturgeon. If she withdraws whip from 9 who voted against/abstained on GRR, she loses her majority and is in hock to Greens. If she doesn't act, she loses authority in group. Whatever, she is no longer omnipotent. Interesting.'

twitter.com/DalgetySusan/status/1585676800302235648?s=20&t=7yQECZktu80gjs-dzJRPzQ

Oh, that is interesting.

DdraigGoch · 27/10/2022 19:19

beachcitygirl · 27/10/2022 17:46

@AlecTrevelyan006 and? Not quite sure I of the point you're trying to make.

A person is guilty of unlawful and vile behaviour and you want to blame everyone who is of the same characteristics for that behaviour.

Would you say the same if a Jewish person committed a crime? Ie blame all Jews ? Deny them their rights/identity/race/religion.

Personally very interested in this one. (Hint that's called anti-sensitism)

Would you say the same if a woman committed a vile crime ? Ie blame all women ? (Myra hindley) and deny women their identity/rights

Would you say the same if a person of colour committed a crime (ie blame all people of colour and deny them their identity/race/rights )

If not then your a very sad very confused individual.

No. It's because the problem is men. Cisgender men.

Not women. Not trans women & not men dressed up as women seeking to cause harm.

Here are your words. You state very clearly that you believe that men dressing up as women are (to paraphrase) "not the problem". You didn't claim that these males are rarely the problem, you were very clear that they are not the problem.

"It never happens" was debunked years ago.

ArabellaScott · 27/10/2022 19:20

Statement from Ash Regan

twitter.com/AshtenRegan/status/1585680840876589057

Skyellaskerry · 27/10/2022 19:20

Waitwhat23 · 27/10/2022 19:14

Susan Dalgety on Twitter -

'Predicament for Nicola Sturgeon. If she withdraws whip from 9 who voted against/abstained on GRR, she loses her majority and is in hock to Greens. If she doesn't act, she loses authority in group. Whatever, she is no longer omnipotent. Interesting.'

twitter.com/DalgetySusan/status/1585676800302235648?s=20&t=7yQECZktu80gjs-dzJRPzQ

Very interesting

nilsmousehammer · 27/10/2022 19:20

ArabellaScott · 27/10/2022 19:18

Oh, that is interesting.

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Isn't it!

Lot of bad decisions starting to come home to roost.

Waitwhat23 · 27/10/2022 19:24

And didn't Nicola say that Ash hasn't raised any concerns? www.scotsman.com/news/politics/letters-snp-politicians-spell-out-concerns-over-gender-change-bill-1419211

RealFeminist · 27/10/2022 19:25

AYE BUT THAT WAS AGES AGO

RealFeminist · 27/10/2022 19:28

POEPLE FORGET HINGS

ArabellaScott · 27/10/2022 19:29

www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-54439758

Waitwhat23 · 27/10/2022 19:44

Thought this was an interesting thread too, particularly Nicola Sturgeon's then response to Malcolm Chisholm's resignation - twitter.com/petermacmahon/status/1585624916451377156?s=20&t=pBvzbPorzrHEbv1TeWW4eQ

rogdmum · 27/10/2022 19:54

JanieAllen · 27/10/2022 19:03

Miles Briggs? fucker I've been writing to him for YEARS about this

I ACTUALLY VOTED FOR HIM!!!!!

He’d been very very good on a local issue some years ago I was involved in so I gave him a vote in the last election.

Won’t be making that mistake again. 😡

JanieAllen · 27/10/2022 20:01

I'll have to write tomorrow and indicate my displeasure....

ArabellaScott · 27/10/2022 20:03

rogdmum that's rotten. I can appreciate differences of opinion but it's really shocking when one's elected representative doesn't even respond to constituents' concerns.

'It appears those who defied the party whip will not face sanctions.'

That's ALSO interesting. I wonder if more will be emboldened to defy the whip, now?

ArabellaScott · 27/10/2022 20:08

twitter.com/FacundoSavala/status/1585709417177272320

She's so bloody ungracious. 'She never sought the opportunity to do that'

Igneococcus · 27/10/2022 20:18

Clearly Nicola Sturgeon thought nobody would dare defy her.

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 27/10/2022 20:28

beachcitygirl · 27/10/2022 17:11

@AlwaysTawnyOwl that may be what you were asking. (You weren't clear) but before I inform you. Before I waste my time and yours.
I will ask this? Are you arguing that trans people shouldn't be allowed to exist at all?

I am asking you a very straightforward question based on the proposed legislation. What, in practical terms for a male is ‘living in woman gender’? There is a two year prison term for a male making a false declaration of ‘living in woman gender’ so it’s in everyone’s interests that we all have a clear definition of what living in ‘woman gender’ actually means.

Over to you.

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HopRockers · 27/10/2022 20:35

SNP MSPs who voted against the Government's gender recognition bill:

Callaghan, Stephanie
Ewing, Fergus
Gibson, Kenneth
Maguire, Ruth
Mason, John
Regan, Ash
Thomson, Michelle

mobile.twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1585668676983947269

Wonder how many would have joined them if they'd known how toothless NS would be.