Rosie Jones is no longer a lesbian

[RosalindsAFuckingNightmare]

Anyone watching Friday Night Live? She’s just announced she is “gay”. Is this a deliberate move away from lesbians who are increasingly being targeted for being gc?

And 'you're gonna get raped anyway so you as well not bother with any safeguards around single sex spaces' is not the clever argument you think it is

Ruth Hunt, former CEO of Stonewall said this out loud to a Guardian journalist and she’s now in the House of Lords, so I can see why people might think saying it themselves could also see bring some personal accolade upon them.

But it is not really his dick. It is comedy with several men. One very large man has a high note to denote his small penis. You never see their dicks. So very different, inuendo.

It’s bigoted because you are focused on transwomen

Ah you've spotted the major issue with calling this bigotry in the hope of silencing women!

It's not about TQ+ people as you say. Because then it would be about all TQ+ people, regardless of sex.

It's about male sex class behaviour which is the same regardless of how that male person feels internally.

Male people are going to have to find the courage to cope with female ones saying no to them. That's it. That's all. The ones with vaginas are not everybody's mummy. Who you want to enable is your decision.

Always useful to share these images from the amazing Claire. We know who does the violence and we know who is the victim of that violence.

Well I will continue love and support the transpeople I know, male and female.

’if you leave me with your mother I’ll f*k her just like a motherf*ker’.

Such original lyrics!

Good for you!

Why do you feel female people talking about the concerns for female rights, spaces, the right to say no to male people, is incompatible with this?

Does loving and supporting your trans friends require subordination and suppression of females? Is it a key part?

That was particularly grim.

i don’t feel that women are being made subordinates or suppressed by transwomen. This happens with ‘cis’ men in my experience.

But carry on with your battles and where you see the need to give your support, we all have our own subjective experiences which influences our opinions.

I’ll bow out now because we will never convince each other to change our views.

I’ll bow out now because we will never convince each other to change our views.

I'm more than willing to be convinced, bring on your evidence please! I would dearly love to be able to believe that women's rights and equalities are being destroyed by male people who are not able to value or consider female needs and have the power to commandeer them.

Unfortunately at the moment I am neck deep in evidence of rape threats, death threats, females with access needs excluded from health care, rape crisis services, refuges so that male access needs can be met, females who are homosexual are being hounded out of Pride and harassed to 'learn to cope' with hetero sex, females are being hounded by police for stating reality, required to lie in court, losing their jobs - it's fantastically depressing. If you can provide evidence that this is all some horrible mistake and TW and TQ+ politics are rushing to rescue and help these females and achieve their aims in ways that work for females too well please, please let me know.

But I suspect your 'we will never convince each other' is more that you are not able to face the reality and would prefer me to join you in not looking, and letting male people rock on. At the cost of females.

And male supremacism as a value system? YMMV, you do you, but no, I won't be switching to embrace that ever. I'm not raising little girls to be service animals.

So you will come on here, call people bigots with absolutely nothing to back it up, and then 'bow out' when challenged.

Got it.

Any man, cis or trans (to use your terms) has access these days to women's single sex spaces. This is not an attack on trans people. It's a statement of boundaries.

It's a statement of boundaries.

So interesting that a female having boundaries is immediately perceived as an act of aggression and misbehaviour towards male people.

To avoid noticing that the aggression and misbehaviour was in the assault on their boundaries that necessitated the boundaries being restated.

Fantastically sex based double standards.

@Randomcommentary you said "i don’t feel that women are being made subordinates or suppressed by transwomen. This happens with ‘cis’ men in my experience."

Jordan seemed quite keen to stress that they are better than women because their tits won't sag, and they always do anal. Why is that an acceptable "joke" from anyone who's male, regardless of how they present? Is misogyny funny in your opinion, and unrelated to the subordination and suppression of women?

Because to me it seemed to exactly tick those boxes. And that makes Jordan basically the same as any selection of rancid 70s male comedians, except Jordan claims to be a woman.

I don't really care about the cock stuff, seemed pretty on trend with the OTT narcissism, although willy waving is the very definition of a male behaviour, and it looked staged since the cameraperson managed a lovely closeup of the key wanging. eye bleach

I’ve just got better things to do on a Saturday than justify my own feelings to others.

I’ve just got better things to do on a Saturday than justify my own feelings to others.

I wish that line worked for females wanting things like accessible rape crisis help, or a crucial operation, or to be allowed to be homosexual.

Why feelings and not logic?

Jordan did this same act at the Edinburgh Festival with the same finale, and won an award for it... one trick pony, can’t sing, can’t play the keyboard with, or with their dick, 15 mins of fame in a nutshell.

This comedian has gone on to Twitter to claim that all Gammons (a racist term) are upset. Yet again all those in media and the Metropolitian elite have no idea over who is outraged over this.

So the notoriously controversial (ya know, so there's a pretty big chance that by attending his show you'll end up being offended) comedian, Jerry Sadowitz, shows his penis on stage at the Edinburgh fringe and gets cancelled. But the “stunning and brave” transwoman, Jordan Gray, goes full frontal and plays the keyboard with her penis on national television and it’s celebrated?

Friday Night Live should’ve stayed in the 80’s – you know, when it was funny and comedians (i.e. Rosie Jones) inserting the word “fucking” in between their first and surname for laughs wasn’t the pinnacle of their comedic talent.

No idea who she is and I feel very fortunate.

If someone wants to rape or sexually abuse me or anyone else, they will do it. A very tiny minority of men have claimed to be transwomen for nefarious purposes but the majority of transpeople just want to live peacefully within society.

Jesus wept, not this fucking argument again.
"Oh, if they want to do it they will anyway, so let's just make it as easy as possible."
Have you listened to yourself recently?

I just watched the show, I think that it was a mixture of fun and cowardice.

I think Ben's close claiming to think comedy should be brave etc should have ended then with saying the thing they are all bending over backwards not to say.

That Jordan was a deranged man in woman face, a joke about keeping him out of the ladies loos to avoid him fucking his mum or something.

It's cowardice.

I thought Jordan's thing was a parody I'm better than you because I used to be a man etc. The poking fun of his narcissism. And I hope that his nudity will force people to understand that trans women are intact men, some of whom have stuck breasts on.

On mainstream tv it stimulates debate.

It's a Tale of Two Cocks, innit? Jordan Gray was nominated for an Edinburgh Comedy award at the fringe (the old Perrier award); Jerry Sadowitz got cancelled...