Eddy Izzard uses ladies loo in Sheffield.

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Jean Hatchett article on Eddy Izzard attending a Labour Sheffield fundraiser, uses women's toilets, run up to his election as a candidate, uses women's toilets while there.

thecritic.co.uk/eddie-izzard-uses-the-ladies-loo-in-sheffield/

The men who want to use women's spaces are using the women in them. It's not the space, it's the women in them that validate their 'gender identity'.

And for many, it's a paraphilia. And even those for whom it isn't, it's still a boundary violation. And a sense of entitlement that means they can use women's spaces, set up to address sexism, for their own ends. It's sexism on steroids.

This.

This.

It also reinforces the unthinking, so-ingrained-we-don't-question-it belief that female people may only meet their own needs after they have made sure everyone else is well taken care of and have everything they need. It's the 'mummy self sacrifices and eats the scraps left after she has fed everyone else' belief that so many women here on MN on every board is fighting every day in hundreds of ways.

Females are not under contract to selflessly care for others - when those others have no parallel duty of reciprocal care and concern. This is being a doormat. It's embracing sexism. It's telling your little girls 'you were born to be a second class service unit for others' use. Actually due to your biological reality, but nice girls lie about this'.

And then we wonder why our little girls are frantically trying to identify out of this burden of their sex.

This all had its roots in the unthinking, naive, sentimental niceness of feminists prepared to buy into their own internalised sexism and rebrand feminism back to 'feminism is about looking after everyone and sorting out all the world's issues and absolutely isn't about nasty selfish women who want one single movement that focuses on the needs and issues of being biologically female. Because nice women don't do that'. And this non-female focused feminism was of course much more palatable to those threatened by female equality and females getting out of their box and questioning and challenging narratives.

That was where this whole 'be kind' bullshit started, and it has been very, very successful in leveraging females to doormat and enable away.

The thing is you are asking about solutions on a female dominated forum - the inference being that we are supposed to come up with solutions to this.

You keep going on about how you were misinterpreted or something, but several posters including myself have come to the same conclusion reading your post, so maybe it was your wording that was a problem.

Hilarious that you went on about me being angry earlier in the thread when you come out with ridiculous overreaction....maybe you need a lie down or something.

@Novum I feel like this because I have been abused.
Because of the myriad of very high profile cases that have been in the news recently.
Because of the cases that don't make it to the news, stories shared between friends or incognito on spaces like this forum.
Many women have changed their behaviour because of fear.
Even as simple as not walking through a park or woods that previously had felt safe.
And I am NOT suggesting every MAN is an attacker, but we don't know if the guy walking behind us across the park is just trying to get home too or planning something else?
It may sound paranoid, but I would rather be safe than sorry and encourage my loved ones to do the same.

Bet he's reading all these comments and really enjoying our responses.
Horrible behaviour. Always disliked him.

I'm not specifically talking about Izzard here, but the whole, 'I just want to pee, why are you making such a fuss, you are crazy!' is starting to feel very gaslighty.

A bit like when a man touches a woman inappropriately and she knows it was deliberate but feels like she can't say anything because he would be like 'my hand just brushed past, why are making such a fuss, you are crazy!'

@Smilelesstalkmore exactly.

There's also the weird disconnect where "I just want to pee, why are you making a fuss" means women saying "please don't appropriate our single sex spaces to fulfill male desires" are making a fuss, but trans women saying "I can't possibly pee in the men's, you must let me use the ladies" are not.

So they know very well it's not "just a pee", because if it was, using the men's like they have all their lives up to then wouldn't matter.

It's clearly not just about wanting to wee if a designated mixed sex space won't do. If it has to be the ladies', it's about something else.

Don't shoot the messenger but transphobia is this century's equivalent of homophobia peeps. Just saying.

You are clearly new here.

Just saying.

No it isn't hun. Just saying.

Was that supposed to be some kind of mike-drop moment?

Women wanting to uphold their rights isn't 'transphobia.'

No it's not. That's lazy non-thinking false equivalence and I'm sick of hearing people spouting it and thinking it's an argument.

Equal love and marriage rights for gay people took absolutely nothing away from straight people. It made no difference. Being gay requires no external validation. It is entirely innate and does not force any beliefs on anyone else. If I go into my office tomorrow and everyone has become gay, I won't even know if they don't tell me. It requires no lies and no absurdity to be accepted.

But forcing the lie upon us that sex is not real, and woman is a feeling, is not innate and affects everyone. Unlike being gay, it requires everyone around you to reflect and absorb something that is demonstrably untrue, because unlike being gay, it depends upon external validation. Women must lose their safe spaces in its name, their sporting opportunities, the very designated word that covers them. They must abandon their faith, overcome their trauma and relinquish their dignity and safety, even though a fair option - third spaces - exists. And they must do it with a smile lest they be accused of hatred and bigotry and phobia, like you and the other woman who was trying to coerce us earlier.

At its worst, it is actually homophobic itself. Because of who deny sex is real must also deny that same sex attraction is real, and therefore lesbians must submit to penis or they are, guess what, bigots and transphobes.

It is nothing like homophobia and in fact, its logical conclusion is itself homophobic.

So don't try that one on us.

Well given two males can be lesbians along with a married man and woman, I'm going to assume that you'll struggle with defining homophobia as much as you have with 'transphobia'.

I'm not denying sex, attempting a mic-drop moment, or engaging in homophobia. Nor is my comment evidence of a lazy argument. Subscribing to a narrative which concludes that trans women using women's toilets has a deleterious effect on women's rights is wrong headed and offensive. If men wanted to attack women in women's toilets, they would go ahead and do so and not stop to apply lipstick and heels before they did so. I liken your reactions to homophobia because someone transitioning should not threaten us as women. The comparison to homophobia is because the moral panic which bred that prejudice largely stemmed from a narrative which fostered the belief that all gay people would attempt to have sex with unwilling straight participants. The narrative you are pushing dictates that trans women are masquerading as women in order to engage in unwanted sex with straight women. It does not hold water. Denying their right to self-identify when it has no impact on us beyond remembering to use the correct pronoun should not cause undue distress. Why are you so threatened by anyone transitioning? I fully accept that sex is determined at birth, or rather, in utero, but I would not deny someone's attempts to transition if that was what they needed to feel that they were a complete human.

Noone is denying someone's right to transition. But as someone who is male, a transwoman is as dangerous to woman and girls as any other male.

Toilets have traditionally been single sex for many reasons as have many other things.

Accept men into Female toilets not only increases the risk to females but allows them access to other single sex spaces too.

A transwoman is male.

If men wanted to attack women in women's toilets, they would go ahead and do so and not stop to apply lipstick and heels before they did so.

Ah, the old "women get raped anyway so we don't need safeguards to stop them getting raped more" line. Not at all horrifying and no worrying ramifications of that at all. You get better and better.

They don't even have to do that now. You people are unbelievable. You believe in the power of social expectation when it comes to forcing belief on people but it magically disappears when it comes to giving women social power to challenge men in their spaces.

Why do you lot never get the simple point that it isn't about trans people, but allowing any old male free rein to get in women's spaces, and turning women into the oppressors for protesting? We don't give a shit how someone wants to dress or groom. That's an irrelevant point. It's about sex.

And why have you never an answer for religious or traumatised women? Why do you always ignore that point?

Your argument absolutely is homophobic and has fuck all to do with the belief that gay people are predators. You deny sex based attraction at its basic level and you equate the hard fact that almost all predators are male with the utterly unfounded belief that all gay men are.

False equivalence, erasure, intellectual dishonesty, point missing and lazy thinking are all you've got and it won't wash any more. Peeps.

No one has to wear lipstick to say they are a transwoman. You are behind the times.

Raped women would like a refuge provision that doesn't include men.

Women prisoners do not want to be housed with male sex offenders.

Women do not want to be competing against men in sport.

Women would like female only provision when they are undressing, or otherwise vulnerable.

And women would like to have their mammograms and smear tests performed by a woman.

Please respect women's spaces. It's not difficult.

Why are you so threatened by anyone transitioning?

Why don't you go on porn hub and look at all the men identifying as women, uploading pictures of themselves masturbating in women's toilets, and into lingerie, before hanging it back on the peg.

And if men don't want to be considered a threat, perhaps they should stop sending us threats from one end of the Internet to the other.

The narrative you are pushing dictates that trans women are masquerading as women in order to engage in unwanted sex with straight women. It does not hold water.

Eh? Can you show us where that narrative has been pushed?

It doesn't even make sense.

Why are you so threatened by anyone transitioning

We don't give a shit about how people dress. We give a shit about toilets, changing rooms, prisons and sporting contests becoming open season for male people on female people.

God, we've said it enough times. Why are you so threatened by what we're actually saying that you continually lie about it to point score?

If he has a penis he should not be using the female toilets because he is not female. If he has had his penis changed into a vagina then he can use the female toilets.

Still no, still a man.

If men wanted to attack women in women's toilets, they would go ahead and do so and not stop to apply lipstick and heels before they did so.

Do explain the reference to "lipstick and heels"? Sounds a bit transphobic to me.