Eddy Izzard uses ladies loo in Sheffield.

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Jean Hatchett article on Eddy Izzard attending a Labour Sheffield fundraiser, uses women's toilets, run up to his election as a candidate, uses women's toilets while there.

thecritic.co.uk/eddie-izzard-uses-the-ladies-loo-in-sheffield/

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By the same argument, why does she need to be in the ladies toilet just to pee in a private, locked cubicle?

Either it doesn't matter where someone pees, or it does matter. You apparently think it simultaneously is not at all important and matters a lot. Which is it?

And as I asked before, why is gender relevant at all when it comes to single sex provisions like toilets? Sex and gender are different things.

He's got lots of male fans. He can talk to them about making men's facilities a safe place for men who cross dress.

And clean.

That's far more progressive than imposing his entitled self on women that don't want mixed sex facilities. I wonder why labour can't cope with this idea?

Exactly. Why isn't this the focus???

@TortugaRumCakeQueen

If they continued using male public toilets, are they not also open to being abused, humiliated and exploited by the 'macho' men they will encounter?

@Trollcity I think it's probably this part of your post that has prompted some of the responses to you, as it reads as though you are condoning trans women using female toilets, for the reason you state above. I can see now, that probably isn't what you meant. Yes, third spaces are what is needed. If men were given carte blanche to use female toilets, I think that trans women would pose much less risk to women, than the predatory males who would exploit the new rules

But that's the whole problem with a lot of posters on MN. They cherry pick what bits of someone's post to read out of context and then go on the attack. Why can't people just take a little time to engage their brain, read something properly, digest it and come back with a considered response that's actually relevant. The bit you highlighted above as getting people's backs up was part of a longer post which in no way reflected people's perceived interpretation of what I was actually saying. Its bloody ridiculous

women have to lock cubicles so that they are not bothered by Eddie.
Why doesn't Eddie lock the cubicle in the men's so he is not bothered by the men?

Good for thee but not for me?

Firstly, female people asserting their rights and needs is not hatred. If your granddaughter is picking the message up from somewhere that it is, it would be a good idea, for fairness to female people and for her own resilience, to help her understand this so she is not mislead into fearing people who in fact wish her no harm at all.

Secondly, as long as your granddaughter understands that being a woman by gender is not the same as being of female body and respects that female bodied people have the need and right to single sex provisions, why would she ever be in a situation where she would face the questions and criticism that Izzard is?

@Trollcity
I'm agreeing with everything everyone was saying. All I was saying is I'm reading a lot of anger or outrage on the subject but no-one suggesting what the solution might be so I suggested a possible solution.

As somebody on here once said to me, it's not women's job to work out and campaign for a solution for men.

It IS our job, sadly, to fight to preserve our protections that were hard won and are now being eroded.

I do think the way to resolve it is 4th spaces. In the case of toilets and changing rooms, fully enclosed single user spaces with doors that open out onto a suitably safe space would do. Everybody will need to come together to push for that sooner or later IMO. It's just a bit galling to think that it's going to be up to us, once again, to do the mental and emotional labour to make that happen for a group that has put a lot of effort into stripping our rights.

As many, many women have pointed out, it would have been the women here - largely liberal left women with a long history of social justice and grassroots work - who would have been the ones who fought with the TQ+ lobby for third spaces alongside sex based provision.

Having had the uncaring assault on women's spaces and rights, the 'we don't care' response when the exclusion and unkindness is pointed out to a political lobby who loves to wang on about inclusion and social justice and kindness but does the large sum of zero care for anyone but their own political interests, and the death threats, rape threats and endless wittering about the word 'hang on a minute, what about these people' being 'hate' -

women are out of patience and that ship has sailed. It's a tough lesson; behave like an absolute arse to someone and they often will not then want to run around after you and take care of your needs.

Total non issue in my opinion. I'm in this constituency and although I'm a Labour voter, unfortunately I think there is a good chance that Eddie won't win as things recently have been going the way of the Greens locally (I'm not too worried about it as she's a fantastic candidate too).

I also know the venue - the Women's is right next to the stage and the Men's right at the back - you have to push your way past people queuing for the bar. I've seen male performers use the women's loos before. At some events there such as the drag king night this week they are both labelled gender-neutral anyway.

@ImherewithBoudica Excellent posts, thank you 👏🏻

the Men's right at the back - you have to push your way past people queuing for the bar.

Thoughts and prayers.

Yes, it's the best excuse yet for allowing men to use the ladies; the poor fragile lambs.

Yea , it's basically genocide isn't it really?

EI has been trending on Twitter all day. Wonder if that is a thing that pleases Eddie?

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Very disappointing to see Izzard acting in this way.

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Gender: what is your star sign?

Bravo! @ImherewithBoudica for PM.
Im in awe at your intelligence and calm well thought out response

www.ted.com/talks/tracee_ellis_ross_a_woman_s_fury_holds_lifetimes_of_wisdom

Transcript of the TedTalk posted above by Tracee Ellis Ross from 31.07.2021

The innocuous makes space for the horrific and women have to live with the effects of both and everything in between.

When someone helps themselves to a woman's body, it not only triggers discomfort and distress, but the unspoken experiences of our mothers' lives, our sisters' lives and generations of women before us. That is life times of dealing with men who assume we know better for use than we know for ourselves.

Women have been trained to think that we are over reacting or that we are being too sensitive or unreasonable. We try to make sense of nonsense and we swallow the furious feelings. We try to out them in some hidden place in our minds but they do not go away. That fury sits deep inside as we practice our smiles and try to be pleasant because women are not supposed to get angry. When someone thins they can help themselves to our bodies (and my addition - our spaces). it not only ignites the current fury, it lights up the past.

The global collective of women's experiences can no longer be ignored. Time is up on thinking that we are over reacting or that this is just the way it is. Time is up on women being held responsible for men's wrong behaviour.

Women, I encourage you to acknowledge your fury. Give it language. Your fury is not something to be afraid of. It holds lifetimes of wisdom. Let it breath and listen.

As 'people born with vaginas, (formally known as women 🙄)'
not only do we have to wary/scared/cautious of MEN (anyone with a penis dressed in anything they fancy) in positions of trust ie: Doctors, Policemen, Paramedics etc, we now have to be wary/scared/cautious of MEN in our previously segregated personal spaces.
It is and will continue to be (for the abusers) a get out of jail free card.
It is designed to keep women at home where the only abusers you'll meet will be in your family if you're really unlucky and we all know how those cases play out for the victims normally.
So the male ego has_is winning.
UNLESS we stand up to this.....
But sadly, as was shown at the Queens mourning, even holding up a blank piece of paper can now get you arrested!
I think we're fucked.
Izzard has become someone I detest.
It's sad for me, I used to like him as an actor/comedian/fund raiser. Now all I see is a massive entitled prick 😡

Personally, it's about the very concept of a 'solution'.

The men who want to use women's spaces are using the women in them. It's not the space, it's the women in them that validate their 'gender identity'.

And for many, it's a paraphilia. And even those for whom it isn't, it's still a boundary violation. And a sense of entitlement that means they can use women's spaces, set up to address sexism, for their own ends. It's sexism on steroids.

So I'm not happy even being asked to consider the concept of solving that problem for these men.

The very most I will offer, is telling them to keep out of women's spaces. And I will simultaneously campaign to expose the sexism underlining the ideology.

My 'solution' is to dismantle the ideology. Not provide a means to make it more acceptable, or accommodate it.

As 'people born with vaginas, (formally known as women 🙄)'
not only do we have to wary/scared/cautious of MEN (anyone with a penis dressed in anything they fancy) in positions of trust ie: Doctors, Policemen, Paramedics etc,

Why do we have to be automatically wary/scared/cautious? How can you possibly live like that? Why is a penis so automatically threatening?