Antipodean fruit growers 2 - Canary in the internet coal mine

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Continuation thread from Antipodean fruit grower statement

A statement from the owner reads in part:

Downtime Update as of August 26th, 2022

"What I fear more than losing my site, being sued, or dealing with police is living in a world where [REDACTED] can [REDACTED] little boys and girls into [REDACTED] and [REDACTED], while normal people are not allowed to even discuss it.

The mob has already planned subsequent targets. Should we stay down, they will then attack 'gender critical' communities - especially those ran by and for women. No place can exist online which allows criticism of their [REDACTED], and nothing would excite them more than this power and domination struggle being inflicted on a female space instead."

I would link to the statement on the Internet Archive aka "Wayback Machine" but it has made all pages archived from the relevant site unsearchable (or deleted?).

Mumsnet does not permit links to the site Archive Today so that is out too.

1st Thread Antipodean fruit grower statement
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4620584-antipodean-fruit-grower-statement

Sorry @RufustheFloralmissingreindeer I forgot I was using the FWR hive mind. Someone else can have a go now 😆
And for anyone who is interested - beanie weenies - .

I am so not playing that video 😀

i can’t speak for everyone but I reckon it’s because Josh is the owner of the internet’s premier shitposting website and we’re too sensible to get offended by obvious jokes?
Oh well, if you're a man who's the owner of a shitposting website that makes it ok when he takes the piss out of middle aged women then, it's just a joke love, get over it! 🙄
Just seems a strange stance to take defending that shit on here.
Sexist bantz by a bloke you admire though is Ok.
Got it

One, shiny new username, <<<<twirls>>>>>

Two, for someone who didnt have a clue how to find the farms in the last thread, you sure do a lot of "research" there.
Three, the main point of the site is pointing and laughing. And finally how can anyone be doxed? Pretty much the whole first world is able to be found. Christ I found my entire extended family from the records in the USA, Sweden, Belgium, France, and other places.
It's not difficult or particularly clever to find anyones address these days.

I'm pretty sure he was taking the piss out of British cuisine, which .... fair enough.

well, yes.

it’s all the bloody tone policing that has had us shifted into this special section, isn’t it?

it’s why Megan Murphy got kicked from Twitter for saying ‘Men aren’t women tho’.

that you assumed we’d be a collective of po faced offence police shows how narrow minded you are. Do you think all middle aged feminists are lacking in a sense of humour?

Not All Feminists Are Like That.

and you are starting to sound rather sexist.

After reading some of the threads on here about the inability of people to cook these days, I can't say he is far off course. He may even be nodding towards the whole 'Off to bake a cake' nonsense we hear all the time when the arguments get a little too hard.

I'm not a bad cook so I don't take offence at that, perhaps it hits home for you?

We need Vic and Bob's handbags in here sometimes, sheesh.

and you are starting to sound rather sexist
I'm sexist for calling out what I see as sexism?!
😂
Ok.
that you assumed we’d be a collective of po faced offence police shows how narrow minded you are. Do you think all middle aged feminists are lacking in a sense of humour?
Of course I don't, not sure where you're getting that I was talking about a collective, or all?
My post even said as much that I wasn't.
Seeing as my post is clearly not seeing the humour in sexist banter towards us "middle aged British ladies" don't know where you're getting that I think we all lack a sense of humour or think the same.
I'm literally saying the opposite - that we're NOT all the same! and that it's pretty 🙄 to write us off as middle aged cooks who couldn't possibly be offensive.
You see that as banter, as funny and insinuate that I'm being "po faced" (your words) for not taking it as a joke.
Fine.

I'm not a bad cook so I don't take offence at that, perhaps it hits home for you?
I'm a pretty good cook, as it happens .
That has absolutely fuck all to do with me being a British lady in my 40s though.

Awww but I love Joshy <3

I would love to pick his brain about something I am working on but alas.

It’s a really tough situation that he and his KF have found themselves in, I do hope he is okay. Also I believe his pizza habits leave much to be desired so he has absolutely no room to be mocking anyones culinary achievements. Bless him.

I’m saying that, in my opinion, you are a hypocrite..

I abhor hypocrisy more than I hate stereotyping. Your priorities are clearly elsewhere, hence the finger wagging at FWR for not being good little feminists and immediately jumping to object to ‘bantz’ the way you do.

I didn’t think it was particularly funny, for the record, just that I didn’t take it seriously enough to find it offensive.

it’s all this pointless humour policing that send people towards places like KiwiFarms, so your complaints about Josh are likely just creating more future Kiwifarners.

Where am I finger wagging?!
You're entitled to your opinions.
I'm entitled to mine.
Which is that what he said comes across as sexist shit to me.
If it's not to you, and you find it funny just joking, whatever, then fine.
Its not wagging fingers at people to state MY opinion.

I couldn't give two hoots if someone insults my cooking skills. I can microwave a Co op curry to perfection. It has no bearing on my feminism or my sense of self worth.

it’s all this pointless humour policing that send people towards places like KiwiFarms, so your complaints about Josh are likely just creating more future Kiwifarners.
I'm not policing humour though, as I've said people are entitled to their opinions, and if that's that it's funny, then OK, that's their right to find that.
But what though, I shouldn't object to what I see as sexist shit, should keep quiet because by speaking up I'm just creating more KiwiFarmers?!
No.

The secret is stirring it halfway, btw.

Perhaps when you were swooning over everyone else not being upset about it?

The trigger hair reactionary 'up in arms' about sexism is small fry to the fact that this guy isn't bending and cracking, but standing up to the most aggregious slandering of what he does, and is finding solutions so if he thinks British women in their 40s aren't terrorists then I don't really care what he thinks of their cooking. If he has even had any.

Yes he was joking about british cusisine and there was a link to a satirical video about british cooking (or was it real? hard to tell these days) but obviously I couldn't post the link for fear of falling foul of a ban or accidentally doxing myself.

As others have said, KF is not a hive mind and everyone doesnt have the same opinions there. Same as on here. I find many of the people on this thread who choose to deliberatley misunderstand or deliberatly take offense to jokes and satire risible for example.

if you've actually ever listened to Josh Moon = KF founder = username Null speak you would see that he's actually a pretty knowledgeable proponent of free speech as an intellectual concept and comes across as a decent bloke. However, he is also a youngish man bought up in the world of internet gaming (aka shitposting), so he can be rude, unhygenic (at a guess), offensive and use bad language (much like my own progeny). Doesn't bother me and doesnt stop him being intelligent, thoughtful and a force for good (if you believe in freedom of speech).

He's right as well, I can't cook for shit.

Swooning? 🙄
All I said was I found it an interesting take that the feminism board seemed to have no problem with a bloke taking the piss out of "middle aged ladies" and referred to him affectionately as Joshy and started talking about things culinary instead.
So if he thinks British women in their 40s aren't terrorists then I don't really care what he thinks of their cooking
That was my point though. It wasn't just about the cooking stuff. It's the whole stereotyping of 40 something women as "but they can't ever be anything but mumsy types, cooking in the kitchen, how could they ever be thought of as anything scary?!"
Can get to fuck with that.
But some think it's a joke.
That's ok. (Seriously)

Josh Moon = KF founder = username Null

thank you sonnex

All I said was I found it an interesting take that the feminism board…

some posters on the feminism board

otherwise it sounds awfully like you are saying that the whole of the feminism board thinks the same way, hence the confusion

oh give over and accept that you've totally misunderstood the point of his post. That it's ridiculous to call women fascists and nazis and 'funded by US right wing religious groups' and transphobes and bigots and all that absolute tripe, just becasue they dont believe TWAW. Go over to KF yourself and see what the community is like. Or, better still, go up to a bus stop at school kicking out time and ask a bunch of british boys what they think of middle aged women. You will hear a lot worse. There is very, very little sexism on KF, unlike everywhere else in life, because everyone is treated with equal derision when they behave petulantly and many of the posters are women.

You can object to anything you like Gany - you are talking to the freespeech fans of FWR (well, apart from Marge and a few new visitors)

fill your boots, be as daft and reactionary as you like. Stamp your foot if you want. It’s fine.

I’m more bothered about people who think it’s ok to cut the tits off teenagers than I am about a chap who made a mild joke about British food.

where you saw sexism, I saw defence of Mumsnetters against accusations of bigotry and a joke about bland cuisine (with the target of the joke being said British food, rather than British women).

some posters on the feminism board
Obviously, but not one other person seems to have a problem with it, or are calling it out, but there's only defending it as a joke instead.
Which seems strange seeing the board we're on.
You'd think one person at least would think 🙄 at it.

nope, just you.

I have to say, I am finding the KF/MN crossover utterly hilarious. It's been bubbling for awhile but we are actually talking about each other in RT now. Brilliant! Proponents of free speech unite!

Thanks Keffals for bringing it to everyone's attention.