Antipodean fruit growers 2 - Canary in the internet coal mine

[Bosky]

Continuation thread from Antipodean fruit grower statement

A statement from the owner reads in part:

Downtime Update as of August 26th, 2022

"What I fear more than losing my site, being sued, or dealing with police is living in a world where [REDACTED] can [REDACTED] little boys and girls into [REDACTED] and [REDACTED], while normal people are not allowed to even discuss it.

The mob has already planned subsequent targets. Should we stay down, they will then attack 'gender critical' communities - especially those ran by and for women. No place can exist online which allows criticism of their [REDACTED], and nothing would excite them more than this power and domination struggle being inflicted on a female space instead."

I would link to the statement on the Internet Archive aka "Wayback Machine" but it has made all pages archived from the relevant site unsearchable (or deleted?).

Mumsnet does not permit links to the site Archive Today so that is out too.

1st Thread Antipodean fruit grower statement
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4620584-antipodean-fruit-grower-statement

Have you informed your employer and local police station you are trying to access an anti-trans hate site?

Looking at Kiwi Farms is illegal now, is it? I'm not in the habit of keeping my employer and the local police in the loop on all my movements, I'm sure they've got more important things to worry about.

Have you?

Or I guess you've happy defaming a site based on personal hearsay. Figures.

It's one of the things that opened my eyes widest, Redbird

That as soon as a trans person or detransitioner said something about their life and experience and beliefs that did not fit with the political messaging?

It became very apparent that the lobby were not speaking for and in care of all people of that description with interest in the diversity of experience and need and belief. They merely wanted to make use of the right ones that furthered their own needs and goals.

The same with the oft thrown around by the lobby phrase 'LGBT+'. Which sounds like meaning 'all diverse people of many politics and beliefs who just happen to have homosexuality as the single characteristic linking them' but in fact means 'anyone of any sexuality who agrees on a politically Q centred agenda including rampant homophobia'.

It is highly useful in manipulating people and situations to enable the pretence of the first in each case being true: it's part of the slick con marketing. But it's always the second thing that is true. These politics don't do integrity or honesty or care for others, these politics do cold self interest with everything and everyone nothing more than resources to exploit and use.

@nilsmousehammer Whole thing's in shambles, and most of these QwEeRs and allies are going to be able to slink back into everyday life when the pendulum comes swinging the other way, guided by deeply regressive, conservative hands. Gay men and lesbians are already having trouble adopting kids from private charities bc the loudest, most aggressively non-conforming who've mean girled themselves into leadership roles within the queer community have turned out to be monsters.

“Have you informed your employer and local police station you are trying to access an anti-trans hate site?”

🎶 third verse same as the first🎶
sing along if you know the words!
now big tambourine solo 👏
and REPENT MOTHERFUCKERS!

I'm simply trying to download some perfectly legal software. Save your policing the internet for someone else. HTH.

It may be being blocked by your ISP security settings. I am with Talk Talk and have home safety settings enabled, and had to list kf as an 'allowed' site in order to access it.

This is kind of the purpose of upvotes and downvotes on a forum. It lets people quickly signal dismissal of something so others don't feel they need to reply in order to refute something when it's a recurrent poster. A simple like / dislike works or even just a like as people can like the counterposters. Doesn't need to be some grand detailed system like the Farms. Though it can be quite entertaining to see the multitude of reactions such as "Lunacy", "Deviant", "Like", "Agree," "Dumb" and "Mad at the Internet."

I sense MerlinsLostMarbles would get a lot of that last one if we had it here. ;)

We're going to need a new Antipodean Agriculturalists thread soon

Saw this today and it made me giggle

Can some PM me the dummies guide to getting on? I have downloaded tor but I don't think I'm putting the right bit in the search bar.

I'm guessing that was a 'mad at the internet' comment.

Merlin's alogging🎩🎩🎩

I'd give Merlin a 🎩, a 🌙, a ❌, a ⌚ and a 🗑️. If we had those.

I'm keeping an eye on the numbers ticking over at the top of the thread 🤓

I don't want to start a new one too soon or it gets confusing.

A PM will probably get automatically deleted just like the last post when I tried to give instructions.

You know the name of the site, which is abbreviated to "KF". Add "dot net" to the end of that (dot = .) and put it into your Tor browser then follow the instructions on the page.

Some of the pages on Kiwifarms are blocked within my country via blocklists at the ISP level. The site hosts a hideous hate crime video that is illegal to view or download here (people have been jailed for sharing it).

That has to be the Christchurch massacre you're talking about. I never saw that video but it sounded horrific. I think it may actually be Josh's refusal to remove it that brought KiwiFarms to a lot of people's awareness.

It's kind of disturbing when you think about it, that Cloudflare refused to ditch KiwiFarms when it documented a terrorist act but almost instantly folded at an uncorroborated accusation from a trans activist Keffels.

I don't know that I support censoring even the video footage of the terrorist act but I would have thought it's a million times more justifiable to do than Keffel's "catboy ranch" Discord server with minors on it and facilitating kids how to make oestrogen at home.

@Bosky thanks. I did do that and nothing happened. Somebody (❤) kindly gave me clearer instructions on the tor thingy part which I think was my problem.

That has to be the Christchurch massacre you're talking about.

I believe it is.

Yes, Kiwi Farms operates under US law specifically because it's possibly the freeest on speech in the world. Censorship laws imposed by places like North Korea, China, Europe, New Zealand, etc, do not apply. If those countries want to block stuff from their citizens, it's up to them. But they can't tell someone operating under US law to remove stuff for other people.

Another example of such blockage Rumble, which blocked banned in France in its entirety, due to its refusal to block RT.

If you want Kiwi Farms to not host these things, you need to petition the US government to make them illegal to host. Josh complies with US law.

You can't just take vigilante action against a US citizen because he's obeying US laws you don't like. Well, obviously you can, but it puts you outside the law.

Unlike him. There is a reason he's still operating and no authorities have ever intervened, you know.

I think there's a difference between a country's government censoring content, and individuals trying to hide it through smear campaigns, illegal DDOS attacks and pressuring private companies to censor without remit.

I'm not saying I agree that the government of your country should be able to control what you are allowed to see; nor am I saying I agree that websites should be able to host the kind of video you're referring to. But they are two different things.

There are lots of things on KF that I don't like.

But I treat it like I do any part of the internet. There are places which I find informative, there are places where I am not interested, and there are places where I know I won't like the content so I don't look for them.

I think some of their critics don't understand that the answer to their concerns about KF, is to stop shutting down discussion that is perfectly legal but that they just don't like. A site like KF gains popularity as a direct result of the "no debate" mantra, simply because it is somewhere that you can speak your mind. People go searching for places where they can have uncensored conversations.

It's useful in the sense that you have to reason your arguments because people will disagree with you (robustly!) so you'd better have your receipts and "no debate" simply won't fly.

And for those who feel duty-bound to lecture people for the perfectly legal websites they visit, I presume you also invest similar efforts in lecturing the Redditors who grace the subs which promote extreme pornography and anti-women content? And the clients who visit Punternet to discuss paying for sex and rating the women that they buy?