Antipodean fruit growers 2 - Canary in the internet coal mine

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Continuation thread from Antipodean fruit grower statement

A statement from the owner reads in part:

Downtime Update as of August 26th, 2022

"What I fear more than losing my site, being sued, or dealing with police is living in a world where [REDACTED] can [REDACTED] little boys and girls into [REDACTED] and [REDACTED], while normal people are not allowed to even discuss it.

The mob has already planned subsequent targets. Should we stay down, they will then attack 'gender critical' communities - especially those ran by and for women. No place can exist online which allows criticism of their [REDACTED], and nothing would excite them more than this power and domination struggle being inflicted on a female space instead."

I would link to the statement on the Internet Archive aka "Wayback Machine" but it has made all pages archived from the relevant site unsearchable (or deleted?).

Mumsnet does not permit links to the site Archive Today so that is out too.

1st Thread Antipodean fruit grower statement
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4620584-antipodean-fruit-grower-statement

Memes about British food are all over the pisstaking parts of the internet, it’s bit of a thing at the moment, especially with the Royals dominating the news cycle.

I’m posting these as evidence (I’m happily waiting on chippy tea via Ubereats right at this very moment)

This isn't a membership club where people vote on levels of offense before castigating people.

You have a problem, and that's fine.

Some other people also might. Perhaps they are making tea (badly obviously) for their families and will be in later.

I have already had me tea. It was lovely. Very well cooked by my good self.

The secret is the right amount of salt. To alot of things in life.

You'd think one person at least would think 🙄 at it

they probably did, just didn’t feel the need to comment…and that in no way means you shouldn’t comment as you see fit

i might have said something if a poster on here actually said it 🤔 but probably only to take the piss

That first ones just jealous i reckon thecloglady

nowt wrong with fish and chips

I’d imagine that those of us posting on this thread (and lurking) are a particular subset of the FWR board who have developed a keen interest in freespeech and who have some sort of knowledge/interest in internet culture.
Obvs I hope the interest spreads but at the moment we’re a small overlap on the feminist/freespeech Venn diagram.

I’d hypothesise that we are the least likely of Mumsnet’s FWR users to interpret a joke about crap, bland food as ‘sexist’.

Personally, I’m happy to be stereotyped as ‘unlikely to be a fascist’

(I have salt and pepper chips from the Chinese Chippy! Aka ‘fusion’ food! 🤣)

Even if I try, my feminist self just doesn't seem to get upset by jokes about my cooking skills.

Top tip: Garlic nan does NOT go well in the toaster.

I am guilty of this too!… the butter melted and oozed to the bottom of the toaster. Was pretty grim.

in hindsight, of course it did but in my defence I was a little merry and desperate.

Potato waffles are great in the toaster.

nope, just you.
Exactly!
😁

Even if I try, my feminist self just doesn't seem to get upset by jokes about my cooking skills.
It wasn't about cooking skills though, was it?!
It was about stereotyping middle aged women in their 40s as being kitchen types and couldn't possibly be anything other than mumsy.

I object to being called a 'lady' nowt ladylike about me
But yeah my cooking skills are a bit subpar...

I don't think it was, tbh. It was about British food being shit.

I've eaten American food; I can see this for the desperately defensive self-own that it is.

Logically, if it was about us being mumsy and ladylike then wouldn't we be really quite GOOD in the kitchen?

I don't think it was, tbh. It was about British food being shit.
So why mention 40 something British ladies then, and "have you seen them?!" if it's just about British food being shit?

Da2 went through a period of buttering his toast BEFORE it went in the toaster 😳

So why mention 40 something British ladies then, and "have you seen them?!" if it's just about British food being shit?

He's referencing the stereotype of Mumsnet users being middle-aged women (largely accurate), profiling that demographic as "not terrorists" (largely accurate), and bringing up one of the main middle-aged British women he's familiar with and her "crimes". I believe Kay of "Kay's Cooking" is a semi-regular fixture in the common "horrific food" strand of his live streams (I've not seen many of his streams, but I recall seeing her featured there at least once).

If he was interested in something else other than bad food, no doubt he might have had another example at his fingertips of a middle-aged British woman's harmless crimes, but bad food is kind of his thing, hence him knowing Kay, and chunking that link to her latest video in - he'd probably recently seen it.

(There are lots of women doing actually bad things documented on KF, lots of Munchausen-by-Proxy types, but he was looking for a criminal-but-harmless British woman for the purpose of the joke).

How would we know exactly what he meant by it? Go and ask him.

Love the way some people are trying to whip up a palaver about this. Like we’ll look at KF and all the edgelording there and fling our pinnies out the back door because he made a joke about British cuisine.
Don’t look at Rate My Plate on FB whatever you do

I love rate my plate 😁
We Want Plates is even better (is that still around?) wannabe fancy food at a gastropub served on roof slate or a bin lid 😂

here’s the actual quote again:

"I hope to be in a more powerful position to help out if anything ever happens to Mumsnet. The hate they get is surreal. Have you ever met a British lady in her 30s or 40s? How do you call someone like this a terrorist except for crimes against the culinary"

The context is ‘how likely is it that a British women in her 30s or 40s is a trans genociding jackbooted fascist?’

nothing about floury aprons of mumsy-ness is implied, it only exists in Gany’s head.

As an aside, why the fuck is ‘mumsy’ a negative anyway? I fucking loved my mum and hope to be as mumsy for my kids as she was for me.

What he said
”Have you ever met a British lady in her 30s or 40s? How do you call someone like this a terrorist except for crimes against the culinary"

Personally, I’m not offended that people don’t call me a terrorist. I haven’t done the research, but I think there probably aren’t a lot of middle aged women who are terrorists. I didn’t get the implication that we’re not terrorist because we’re engaging in some stereotypical mumsy behaviour. Just we’re not terrorist because we’re normal people as most people aren’t terrorists.

In a way this sub conversation is an interesting of how people can read the same thing and have different interpretations. So it’s a good idea to go back and see what was actually said as opposed to what other people think was said. And then people can draw their own conclusions. This is why I think the farms were an important record of what was said.

i’m a lady according to my username. Not because i’m very ‘ladylike’ but because I’m a big Twin Peaks fan and I’m partial to puns and Swedish Hasbeens.

I'm getting Douglas Adams vibes...

Classification: Mostly Harmless.

How do you call someone like this a terrorist except for crimes against the culinary"

And again, for clarity, the link has been omitted - the "this" is referring specifically to the accompanying video of Kay's Cooking's "Bean and Sausage Bake". Not "a British lady in her 30s or 40s" general.

I give in, I'm going to have to attach it, even if this means we're supporting culinary terrorism.

i agree with Josh. Kay doesn’t look like a terrorist.

and her cooking is bad.

‘Egg wash’ 🤣