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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Tom Daley "furious" at swimming trans ban

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flyingbuttress43 · 27/06/2022 11:51

www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2022/06/26/tom-daley-furious-transgender-ban-swimming-diving-competitions/

Apparently Fina's ruling is "not on". Speaking at the British LGBT Awards Daley said: "I was furious. You know, like most queer people, anyone that's told that they can't do something they love just because of who they are, it's not on. It's something I feel really strongly about. Giving trans people the chance to share their side."

No one is stopping trans people competing Tom. Just stopping them from competing unfairly in the wrong sex category. Trans women are free to compete in the male category and will also be in future if sport decides to have an open category.

Should we be surprised at his attitude? Not really, after all he thinks it's OK to rent a woman's body to produce a baby for him and his partner. He seemed to know what sex was then.

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Wouldloveanother · 27/06/2022 15:48

Yes Supertea you’ve hit the nail on the head!

OneFrenchEgg · 27/06/2022 15:49

Oh I'm glad to see a thread on this. I'm a bit tired of men I know personally or am aware of signalling their lack of prejudice and bigotry by hanging my rights over to other men.
Maybe if transmen were winning award for men of the year and taking first place on podiums they would think again.
I've tried to explain to ds I don't care what someone wears. It's more than that.

Wouldloveanother · 27/06/2022 15:55

I hope I don’t cause offence with this; and do call me out if i do
but I feel some gay men have issues in understanding or feeling real concern for women, as the women in their lives tend to be their mothers (older so less likely to be seen as potential targets of male sexual violence etc), or friends (degree of emotional attachment, not a strong love). Usually no daughters, girlfriends, wives etc with that strong protective love
so they’re not risking any of their nearest and dearest by supporting TWAW
hope that makes sense?

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 27/06/2022 15:55

Away back to your knitting Tom.

Perhaps you can charge £150 for a blinkers kit.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

ResisterRex · 27/06/2022 16:10

He's fummin. And? Doesn't change the hard evidence, does it?! All a bit "mad angry tears" really.

Skodacool · 27/06/2022 16:13

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 27/06/2022 11:59

If Tom really wanted to help transwomen swimmers he’d be taking a stand on welcoming them into the male category, making sure they feel comfortable there.

Absolutely, I’ve posted that on his Twitter page.

MenopausalMe · 27/06/2022 16:15

I can’t help thinking that ‘Man furious about something he clearly doesn’t fully understand, that doesn't affect him personally and never will’ happens way too often to be newsworthy

GCRich · 27/06/2022 16:16

I bet Tom Daly is not as angry with FINA as I am with him.

Tom Daley came out as a gay man - he stated that he was a man who only dates other men.

Tom Daley came out for men participating in women's sports - he has stqted men who want to be in women;s sports should be in women's sports.

Tom Daley is by definition either a liar (ie he is not gay, he lied and said he was) or he is someone who believes that he has a right to discriminate against trans men in his bed, but that women don't have a right to discriminate against trans women anywhere.

WAFC

ivykaty44 · 27/06/2022 16:16

If these men are so furious they need to stop & find a solution that doesn’t infringe females rights

StuffYouAllInTheCrust · 27/06/2022 16:17

Being a man automatically disqualifies his opinion on this matter as it will never affect him.

Tosser.

MenopausalMe · 27/06/2022 16:17

I’m curious what is Tom’s take on Roe v Wade being overturned?

MiniatureHotdog · 27/06/2022 16:19

It appears that Tom has no understanding, respect or empathy for sportswomen. I have no interest in his opinions

This. I used to like him years ago, now he's just a self serving misogynist (and a dim one at that).

ventreàterre · 27/06/2022 16:19

I never understood why people thought he was so charming to begin with, so it will be easy to go on not caring what he thinks about anything. Why should his opinion on this matter? He's not a woman. He's not even a trans woman. Being a gay male doesn't make his view any more relevant than that of a straight male.

FishcakesWithTooMuchCoriander · 27/06/2022 16:23

Reallyreallyborednow · 27/06/2022 14:21

(High diving is different to the 10m Platform event)

yes I was thinking of the current olympic events. High diving is too insane for me 😂

Nothing will make my brain not imagine the sort of thing you see in old cartoons with the ridiculously high board and a bucket of water.

fruitbrewhaha · 27/06/2022 16:24

Thank you Tom for pointing out that trans women don't just love to swim, train, race and compete because as we can all see, no one has said they can not, what they love to do, is fuck women over and we are stopping them from doing that.

achillestoes · 27/06/2022 16:24

Absolutely tired of gay men who come out and get so much support from women, and then it turns out it isn’t just that they don’t want to have sex with women (no worries!) but they don’t like us and have no empathy with us whatsoever.

ApplesandBunions · 27/06/2022 16:26

Gannicusthemannicus · 27/06/2022 15:31

I used to be a fan and didn't have an immediate issue with the surrogacy - I don't agree with it but other celebrities have done the same thing and didn't get the level of vitriol.

But. In his YouTube video about the birth of their son, he talks about going to the hospital and the birth in the same way one would order and collect a new car. He refers to the surrogate as 'it' and talks about the lateness of the birth and hearing that 'it (the surrogate) was going to be induced'. If course, how dare the surrogate go over her due date to inconvenience them.

Horrible.

Also, wherever one stands on surrogacy, using a surrogate and wanting males to be in the women's category is hypocritical. Tom knows full well what a woman is when it suits him. A person could be pro surrogacy and still see that.

MissHavershamJoinsTinder · 27/06/2022 16:28

Tom Daly is a bit thick and more to be pitied than laughed at...although I do laugh at him.

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 27/06/2022 16:32

I must not go down twitting wormholes. I must not go down twitting wormholes. I must not go down twitting wormholes.

But I am going to be the voice at the end treacle. Fume all ye like.

fuuuuuuming

SuperTea · 27/06/2022 16:34

I think Tom Daly is a worry.

To me he seems a bit "simple". He is apparently academically bright, but not quite wired right. I mean his simplistic thinking and naivety.

He got together with his husband, 20 years his senior, at 18/19yo, not long after his father died. It was only at this point he "realised" he was gay.

Can you imagine if that was a young woman who took up with a father figure who would teach her about her sexuality?

Then the fact that the husband is a self described "LGBT activist". Well it's not hard to see that Tom might be being manipulated for the publicity and fed the things he's supposed to say (that he clearly doesn't understand).

He still needs to shut up, but I do hope someone's checking on him a bit.

MrsOwainGlyndŵr · 27/06/2022 16:36

MiniatureHotdog · 27/06/2022 16:19

It appears that Tom has no understanding, respect or empathy for sportswomen. I have no interest in his opinions

This. I used to like him years ago, now he's just a self serving misogynist (and a dim one at that).

He wasn't even all that as a diver.

MarshaBradyo · 27/06/2022 16:38

Just stopping them from competing unfairly in the wrong sex category.

Exactly people need to stop looking to women to take the hit

Is his category fair?

I find that response incredibly annoying

achillestoes · 27/06/2022 16:38

They’re ripping him on Twitter.

ReneBumsWombats · 27/06/2022 16:38

He is an exceptional diver.

He's also a wilful idiot and a misogynist with shit knitting patterns.

ReneBumsWombats · 27/06/2022 16:50

achillestoes · 27/06/2022 16:38

They’re ripping him on Twitter.

I really, really think the tide is turning. Most people didn't realise TWAW was supposed to be taken completely literally.

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