Tom Daley "furious" at swimming trans ban

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www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2022/06/26/tom-daley-furious-transgender-ban-swimming-diving-competitions/

Apparently Fina's ruling is "not on". Speaking at the British LGBT Awards Daley said: "I was furious. You know, like most queer people, anyone that's told that they can't do something they love just because of who they are, it's not on. It's something I feel really strongly about. Giving trans people the chance to share their side."

No one is stopping trans people competing Tom. Just stopping them from competing unfairly in the wrong sex category. Trans women are free to compete in the male category and will also be in future if sport decides to have an open category.

Should we be surprised at his attitude? Not really, after all he thinks it's OK to rent a woman's body to produce a baby for him and his partner. He seemed to know what sex was then.

How handicap horseracing works:

Handicapping in action. In a horse handicap race (sometimes called just "handicap"), each horse must carry a specified weight called the impost, assigned by the racing secretary or steward based on factors such as past performances, so as to equalize the chances of the competitors.

Tom Daley is an arrogant twat.
He has NO skin in the game as a penis-haver.
Who the hell is he to tell women what they should and should not accept?
It's not REMOTELY like the fight gay people have had to be accepted or to do the things they love. Gay people's rights did not trample all over the rights of women Tom.

"anyone that's told that they can't do something they love just because of who they are"......

So we can look forward to 3 foot high people winning gold medals in the mainstream high jump and hurdles? 600lb people doing gymnastics?
Sometimes we have to accept our physical realities and limitations STOP us from doing things. That's why we have the paralympics, so more people can compete on a more even footing amongst their peers in a FAIR game.
Men competing against women ISN'T FAIR TOM.
Even when they wear a fetching swimsuit.

But you know that right?
Because we know YOU know what a woman is - didn't you have a very recent transaction with one?

Also as an aside re. Tom Daley "knitting" - his scarf kits were released a couple on months ago. Over £80 for a fucking SCARF kit, PLAIN stitches, decidedly un-fancy scarf. So essentially a couple of balls of wool that would cost you £5 max at any craft shop.
You're comments make about as much sense as your knitting kits do Tom.

Facebook was a joy to behold all the comments at the time!

They do handicapping for other sports e'g' cycling where they set off in groups at different times based on their ability.

They use it in Golf all the time where every golfer has their "handicap" (a number of strokes to be deducted) so that golfers of different standards can compete against each other. Professional golfers are "scratch" players meaning that they get no strokes deducted.

No, they probably haven’t got it right - this article gives a good explanation:

www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/if-the-7lb-allowance-for-mares-is-unfair-it-is-because-it-is-insufficient/537979/amp

If the 7lb allowance for mares is unfair, it is only so because it is insufficient to offset the innate physical advantages enjoyed by geldings; to equalise opportunities, it should be 12-14lb! Mares do not enjoy an advantage against geldings from the 7lb sex allowance; instead, they are at a disadvantage against the most appropriate allowance.

The recent Champion Hurdle successes of Annie Power and Honeysuckle do not indicate that the mares’ allowance unfairly favours mares. Rather, it reflects the fact that two of the best mares in jump racing history came along within a short time-span, competing against a good but not exceptional group of geldings. Even then, the 7lb allowance was important to their successes. Statistics for the other major Cheltenham championship races are far more indicative of the ‘fairness’ or otherwise of the present mares’ allowance.

But you do still get some horses who win more than others?

All very interesting, thank you

Why do they not adapt a trans category or would that be offensive I'm confused about it all ffs

So what I meant was that professional sports people should and do all compete on a scratch basis but it's sometimes appropriate to have handicap events where the differences are evened out to an extent. People have a choice as to whether to compete in these though and know the score before they start.

Actually scratch that.
His blanket kit is £220 online. For a blanket.

And £35 for a hat which I can crochet in less than 2 hours with 1 ball of wool.

Oh dear.

Tom is - clearly - a really good diver, and I used to have huge respect for him. But I'm not sure he's that bright (am I allowed to say that?). I'm not sure that intellectually, he has the capacity to look at issues from perspectives other than his own.

I know I kicked off this whole thing about handicap, but the reality is that in most cases you can never "even the odds" as there are too many factors to consider. In horses, the weight is one factor but what about the length of their legs, the capacity of their lungs etc? You can never even it to present the skill of the rider and trainer as being the only difference.

I used to be a fan and didn't have an immediate issue with the surrogacy - I don't agree with it but other celebrities have done the same thing and didn't get the level of vitriol.

But. In his YouTube video about the birth of their son, he talks about going to the hospital and the birth in the same way one would order and collect a new car. He refers to the surrogate as 'it' and talks about the lateness of the birth and hearing that 'it (the surrogate) was going to be induced'. If course, how dare the surrogate go over her due date to inconvenience them.

Horrible.

Tom Daly needs to go up against a booby.

These birds can dive from heights of 100m. They beat him for elegance, too.

It's inclusion, Tom, inclusion.

This is how I feel about him. He actually got outstanding results at school, so isn't completely thick, but he's like one of those teenagers who's been told they're clever all their life so think they have the ultimate opinion on everything, even when they know nothing of the subject or (worse) know very little of the subject.

He's not young anymore, but he's still childlike in his naivety and I do think this is exploited by certain groups around him. There's something about him that's not quite right, apart from his opinions, IMO.

Handicapping is different as it employs a rating based on the performance of the horse in previous races. A perfect handicap race should see all the horses cross the line at the same time.

Every time a horse runs their handicap rating is adjusted (and sometimes for other reasons).

In non-handicap races (such as the Cheltenham Gold Cup) weight allowances are applied.

Honestly, this is probably a bit of a shoehorn, but I am posting none-the-less.

On friday we went to our DS's senior school sports day. He is Year 7.

Last year we went to his primary school sport day when he was in Yr 6.

He ran the 1500 metres both years and it was mixed. last year he came 3rd and there were two girls who came first and second.

THIS year (and same group of children because the school goes from ages 4-18) he came last, but the first 9 places were taken by boys with 10 and 11 by the girls who won last year.

year 8 class - the first 21 places were taken by boys.

Why? Because puberty and testosterone is starting to kick in.

It's biology. And I am not sure why we even have to have the conversation, because biology is a bloody fact and feelz aren't.

I mean, he's married to an "LGBT activist" 20 years older than him and they got together when Tom was 19.

‘He refers to the surrogate as 'it' and talks about the lateness of the birth and hearing that 'it (the surrogate) was going to be induced'.’

What the actual hell?

What a shit school for girls.

"it's not on" and "I'm furious"

It's all a bit behold a man has spoken.

Why is it "not on" Tom? Why exactly are you so furious about a ruling that protects female athletes?

That gives them the opportunity to win events/medals that lead to the sponsorship opportunities you enjoyed during your career and still cash in on today?

Why did is it so unfair to people born male to compete against their own sex?

Is it because you think they won't be able to win? So they should be able to prevent women winning instead?

That's an interesting concept to be furious about and believe is "not on"....furious at women being able to compete fairly, win in sport and enjoy the kind of career success you enjoyed....

Wow.
Not very PC, maybe you should have another think about your post.

It's not just "what's inside ones trousers" though is it? Sex determines a whole host of innate advantages.

SpinningTheSeedsOfLove I do love a booby!

@achillestoes just report the post, don't quote the offensive bit in another post!