Stella Creasy says women can have penises

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Stella Creasy has doubled down on her TWAW position in today's Telegraph www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/stella-creasy-jk-rowling-wrong-woman-can-have-penis/

The main reason the GRA was passed was because the ECHR judged that Christine Goodwin had the right to keep her sex private in all circumstances (including but not limited to marriage).

Was that really it? My understanding was that we already had some patchwork ability to be recognised as the opposite sex, but that didn't extend as far as permitting marriage to someone of the same sex. It was just a few government databases.

I thought the ECHR ruling was more "once the state has started recognising someone as a woman, you have to be able to justify any places you don't recognise them as a woman". The complaint was that someone in the "partially falsified state document" situation was at a disadvantage compared to someone not lying about their sex.

If the initial falsification hadn't been permitted, there wouldn't have been an issue, in my understanding. The state was under no direct obligation to allow people to falsify sex, but we were doing it badly. We're not having cases about people not having their trans-ages fully recognised because we never permit it. Once we started permitting it, we'd start getting cases like Goodwin's.

Whether they could have unwound to solve the ECHR problem - removed Goodwin's existing female recognition altogether - I don't know. I imagine that would have been seen as a human rights violation too. Once you tell something they can have something, it becomes an entitlement that's hard to withdraw.

Certainly issuing no more GRCs and allowing existing holders the rights they've acquired for life on a grandfather clause might make sense - society has moved on since the time the GRA was issued, so can you really justify issuing more?

She is.

As much as I disagree with Stella, it's her behaviour towards other people that I find appalling. She is so slippery, and disingenuous.

An open to letter to Stella Creasy from Mypeniscalledstella

Oh that doesn’t look right does it? Damn you mumsnet and your lack of a space in user names. My user name should read “My pen is called Stella” not my penis. I do not, I repeat do not, have a penis. But if I did I’d probably call it Gary.

Anyway, so I’ve been following the news on your tweets over the last few days, and read the whole, not just the headline, of the article that started it all.

Oh Stella love! It’s all getting a bit daft now isn’t it?

Look I get it; you’ve got an important job, a house, a partner, and kids. It’s a lot of balls to juggle. I completely understand that you leapt at the chance to outsource your critical thinking on subjects you thought would be easy vote winners.

I think what you need is a bit of a time out. Not like naughty step time out, God! You’re not 5! But an adult time out. Send the kids out with their dad for a few hours. Run a nice big bath. Maybe some of those expensive bubbles you keep hidden from the kids? Switch your mobile off, unplug the house phone, lock the bathroom door, get in the bath, lie back and just RELAX.

OK so now I want you to do me a favour (and I promise this next bit is not me trying to get my rocks off). Whilst you’re lying there relaxing in the water, just look down at your body. The breasts that have nourished your children, the stomach still scarred and wobbly from growing actual human beings inside you. Look down between your legs from where your children emerged. Wow, you've done amazing things with that body there missus!

Now, take another look for me will you and answer me one question: where’s your penis?

What the ever living shit is she doing? Has she lost her mind?

Yes, both excellent pieces - thanks for the links Mollyollydolly.

More power to the elbows of Kathleen and Jon - and at least they know what one is! As Jon Pike concluded about his gift to Creasy, "We’re all pushed for time, but I really hope she does the reading".

Now, take another look for me will you and answer me one question: where’s your penis?

Didn't want to take up space by quoting it all, but that's a totally brilliant post @Mypeniscalledstella!

Unfortunately I don't think she's lost her mind. I did wonder that at first but now i think she knows exactly what she's doing.

Can you explain a bit more? Do you think she's trying to accomplish something productive or is she just trolling? Is she a GC plant trying to draw attention to the incoherence of gender ideology?

If she was trying to prove she's both bat shit and unpleasant then she has succeeded but apart from that it's not been a win for the cause.

Her reply to Jon where she was acting like he was harassing her 'Please stop' was appalling. She gives feminists a bad name, and you're right it's not even about her opinion, she's no better than a twitter troll. So disappointed in her.

Anyone else had to brush up on their Flaubert?

If she was trying to prove she's both bat shit and unpleasant then she has succeeded

I think that's what Floisme was getting at? She is actively targetting the "batshit and unpleasant" constituency for a leadership contest.

It's kind of doing an Ian Paisley and specifically targetting the "the Pope is the antichrist" vote?

Certainly doesn't help the party, and find it hard to believe it has enough of a net positive effect to get her into leadership. But maybe if the final round is a "woke" versus "anti-Woke" competition, she secures her place in that final round by being the most Woke? And then hopes that enough moderates aren't swung to vote for the "anti-Woke" candidate by her antics?

Even if she fails, she's at least burnished her credentials for whatever Woke org she wants to go to after politics? The Woke stuff serves as a sort of filter for a certain sort of Freemasons-like "scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours" institutional corruption.

Will Stella be the Ian Paisley of fundamentalist wokedom?

Will she get to the top and say ' look guys I know this is hard - but we must compromise with the Unbelievers' ?

Given that she is such a Blairite I'm surprised Owen Jones is a fan. But I suppose I shouldn't be. She supports his luxury belief in transubstantiation. To hell with socialism , all that matters is the Split.

Given that she is such a Blairite I'm surprised Owen Jones is a fan.

Which shows that her strategy is working. There is a section of the consituency that will vote for that religion ahead of anything else.

But as a counterweight, there are an increasing number of people prepared to vote against that religion ahead of anything else. What remains unclear is whether those forces can be mobilised fast enough to stop permanent damage to civil liberties, women's rights, etc.

You're depressingly right, I think, Necessary.

Sorry FOJN - I'd been musing upthread and hadn't noticed the discussion had moved on! But yes, as NecessaryScene says, my hunch is that the possibility of Starmer and Rayner resigning will have led to much jockeying for position within the party. I imagine Creasy will be looking to get her career back on track and, if she's thinking of having a stab at, let's say deputy leader, she will know she first need to win some approval from the left (who won't like her because she didn't support Corbyn). If that's the case Owen Jones's intervention will have been balm to her soul.

It won't matter to her at this stage how she looks to the general public - she needs the inner party mechanisms in her favour first and, in any case, this has largely been confined to Twitter and most voters won't even have heard about it.

Or it could be something else entirely - I'm not a member any more and I don't hear the gossip. But she does not strike me as someone who acts on impulse. I don't think she'd go off on one like this for no reason and, for me, this brouhaha has all the hallmarks of someone getting their shit together, not losing it.

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She ran for deputy leader before. I voted for her

Oh look

www.mirror.co.uk/all-about/stella-creasy-mp

Sorry wrong link

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/stella-creasy-labour-deputy-leader-5709897

Sounds like the beginning of the next Star Wars film.

Sounds like the beginning of the next Star Wars film.

😂 Maybe that is the writing style I've been unconsciously imitating this entire time. I fear you may have got me.

Try writing posts in yellow and sort of narrower at the top like it's zooming away into the distance, Necessary.

I shall certainly be humming to myself as I compose in future. I'm doing it now.

Well, I have a bit of a cold so I can do the Darth Vader parts if that helps.

It's a trap!!!

Are there any comments on the Mirror article? I've had a look but the site's so broken with ads, thumbnails and banners that I can't tell.