Stella Creasy says women can have penises

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Stella Creasy has doubled down on her TWAW position in today's Telegraph www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/stella-creasy-jk-rowling-wrong-woman-can-have-penis/

It's realtime preference falsification in a fashion that exceeds the fantasies of prior repressive, authoritarian, and totalitarian movements.

www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674707580

Preference falsification, according to the economist Timur Kuran, is the act of misrepresenting one’s wants under perceived social pressures. It happens frequently in everyday life, such as when we tell the host of a dinner party that we are enjoying the food when we actually find it bland. In Private Truths, Public Lies, Kuran argues convincingly that the phenomenon not only is ubiquitous but has huge social and political consequences. Drawing on diverse intellectual traditions, including those rooted in economics, psychology, sociology, and political science, Kuran provides a unified theory of how preference falsification shapes collective decisions, orients structural change, sustains social stability, distorts human knowledge, and conceals political possibilities.

A common effect of preference falsification is the preservation of widely disliked structures. Another is the conferment of an aura of stability on structures vulnerable to sudden collapse. When the support of a policy, tradition, or regime is largely contrived, a minor event may activate a bandwagon that generates massive yet unanticipated change.

In distorting public opinion, preference falsification also corrupts public discourse and, hence, human knowledge. So structures held in place by preference falsification may, if the condition lasts long enough, achieve increasingly genuine acceptance. The book demonstrates how human knowledge and social structures co-evolve in complex and imperfectly predictable ways, without any guarantee of social efficiency.

I wondered why I couldn't see anything about it on the local Facebook groups.

In distorting public opinion, preference falsification also corrupts public discourse and, hence, human knowledge

Yes. Putin's quite a fan.

The vote is back on Walthamstow Life - with additions by members of the group.

Quite interesting to see that even asking a question about something an MP has said gets you labelled by other members of the group.

Julie Bindel has an excellent article in the Spectator on Creasey

www.spectator.co.uk/article/what-stella-creasy-gets-wrong-about-trans-rights

Annelise Dodds has put on record that she disagrees with Creasy on this. Stella clarifying her own position (in the bonkers direction) has forced the shadow women and equalities minister to clarify her own in a saner direction.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/05/29/anneliese-dodds-stella-creasy-wrong-woman-cant-have-penis/

There is an archive version online.

"Ms Dodds, who is also shadow women and equalities secretary, said: “No, I don’t agree with her. Biological females obviously aren't.
“Of course, there are also trans women who have made a transition in their gender, but sex is not the same as gender."

“Obviously, I have a huge amount of respect for my colleague Stella Creasy, she has done a huge amount of campaigning for women - but on that issue around biology, I do have a different opinion.” "

She is at least recognising that sex exists and is different to gender identity.

In the house of commons there was recently a debate on recognising non binary identity. Dodds said some stuff i didn't agree with, especially where she lacked clarity and precision, but she did say this which I think is significant. I agree with this on the face if it (tho the devil is in the detail, my emph)

"We also need to acknowledge that, of course, as well as gender, sex continues to play an important role in different areas of policy. As I have repeatedly made clear in my role as shadow Secretary of State for Women and Equalities, sex is not the same thing as gender and both are important in different contexts. That difference is reflected in legislation. For example, as a woman I am an adult female—that is my biological sex. There are, of course, also trans women who have made a transition in their gender, and they deserve respect and dignity also."

hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2022-05-23/debates/040FB4A1-8C3F-4F03-BB10-29FD4A6E24FE/LegalRecognitionOfNon-BinaryGenderIdentities

It's important that creasy never becomes minister for women.

It is vital Creasy does not remain MP for anywhere. The business of legislation is far too important to let tin foil hat nutters anywhere near it.

Lisa Nandy is on board with Stella.

twitter.com/LBC/status/1531189589960007682

Of course she is, Nandy thinks male rapists should be allowed to self ID into the female prison estate.

Nandy is a disgrace.

This creepy little narrative she has about gender critical women being genitally obsessed is unworthy of her position. Obviously nobody sensible ever wanted to be in a situation where we were so particular about the physical differences between females and males with dysphoria. It was necessary because people like Nandy were refusing to acknowledge that males can’t ‘become’ females. Which they can’t.

Has she gone to her favourite line of "a trans child in my constituency...." yet?

Thanks for the Spectator article link which is a good summary.

Stella Creasy isn't going anywhere. She's in about a safe a seat as any MP could wish for. She could say/do anything at all and she'll still win the next election. Alas!

Wasn't Nandy calling for gender heretics to be expelled from the party? What a disgrace. How did we end up with politicians like this?

I'm not convinced Anneliese Dodds understands the issues well enough to be trusted.

In the Westminster Hall debate, on legal recognition of non binary identities, she referred to "intersex" people as if that term was synonymous with non binary rather than DSD's being a totally unrelated to gender identity. She was corrected and claimed she didn't intend to conflate the two but if she knew the difference then why mention anything to do with DSD's at all.

I suspect she is either very ignorant about women's concerns or she is doing a Jess Phillips.

Think that was Nadia Whittome.

Yep. 'I've got a young person here in Wigan ...'

She also says (Nandy) that 2 in 5 trans YP have attempted suicide. I thought they'd stopped using this stat?

@babyjellyfish it was Nandy too. She signed the pledge that called for the expulsion of people like me. She "paused for thought" and then signed it anyway. www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/23/lisa-nandy-wording-trans-rights-pledge-labour-leadership

@WhereAreWeNow They're all completely mad.

What are they hoping to gain from this?

Do they genuinely not want to be in power?

I think they either imagine-hardly anyone is bothered by this (what with it never coming up on the doorstep, and that) so we can spout any old bollocks and get away with it-or, we really believe this sixth form bullshit in which case being ideologically pure is more important than gaining power. I think it's more the later-you cannot come out with this fucking nonsense with a straight face without believing it.

I think there's also a bit of misjudging the support for TRA positions. They spend too much time with people who are actively lobbying them on this (Stonewall) and are surrounded by young assistants fresh from NUS with pronouns in their bios. The majority of constituents are probably blissfully unaware of the madness that TRAs are spouting. There will also be a large number of constituents who are desperately worried about it but scared to speak publicly for fear of losing friends/jobs. So all the MPs like Stella end up hearing is Stonewall and the woke young assistant. It skews their perception of what most people think.

I saw someone commenting on Twitter that, whilst Annaliese Dodds' position is far more sane, Stella Creasy is actually correct.

As a matter of law, a woman can have a penis.

The reaction to her comments would rather suggest that a lot of people don't think that should be the law.

Personally I am starting to feel that the Gender Recognition Act needs to be totally repealed. The only problem is, gender recognition certificates are really the only thing standing between us and full self ID.

Allowing people to change their legal sex was a ridiculous thing to do.

Stella Creasy is actually correct. As a matter of law, a woman can have a penis.

Someone changing their legal gender has not changed sex.

A simple demonstration that she is wrong would be the fact that a GRC does not permit access to single sex facilities operating under an EA exemption.