Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 11

[ickky]

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

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The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)

To come?

Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

Incidentally the last few times I've logged in I've not even has an option to turn off my camera - so I assume they've fixed that as well as the automatic mute on entry.

OK, so the question is then as to whether withholding AB's explanation from CMcG tainted the outcome of the investigation.

If only misogyny was seen as a bad thing. Nowadays it seems to be applauded especially when applied to women who won't shut up.

Keeps comparing AB to Tommy Robinson and Anti semitism.

Needed publicly available material that the cotton ceiling workshop was coercive.

ITS IN THE FUCKING NAME OF THE WORKSHOP.

I meant keeps comparing the level of controversy with TR and anti-semitism.

Confirming she didn't receive AB's explanation.

I’m just getting black screen. Are we actually in? I’ll retry if you are

I didn't realise BC is standing at his desk.

Yes. We're in.

BC has a standing desk! Is this new information, for some reason I always thought he was on a spinny chair?

I was wondering last night if all this "I can't remember" "I don't recall" "I didn't see that" "not sure" etc etc means that the all the detriments will end up not proven as there is no admission that what happened actually happened, so they'll get off scot free. I live in fear it's a carefully constructed (and agreed between themselves) approach.

I have always thought spinny chair too

The fact that ALL of GCC are saying the exact same things, makes it implausible to me. You would expect different people to say slightly different things about the same subject. It looks like they are all reading from the same script.

Judges will come to their own conclusion as to whether witnesses are disingenuous or not.

Thanks for the new thread @ickky and, as ever, the discussion and wit on the threads.

I thought it was obvious he had a standing desk from the way he leans into the camera sometimes and gives that "look".

I'm sure it all adds to the performance too. I find it much easier to "think on my feet" literally when I am on my feet.

Wouldn't it be up to the tribunal to decide whether that's likely or not Tallisker?

I find it completely unbelievable that events that were considered to be so potentially damaging were not investigated further by anyone, were not discussed by anyone outside an email chain, and were so utterly unmemorable that no-one can remember a thing about them two and a half years later.

Yes I thought he was at a standing desk. I figured it would feel more natural as in court they always stand when it's their turn. I thought it would feel odd for the others to remain seated while they make their submissions

bah. I’m struggling with the tech, probably doesn’t help that I’m nursing at the same time. I’ll have another go if they sleep at all today

AH interruption! 30 minutes in!

Objection sustained by judge.

AH first interruption, he is being good today. 😁

BC referencing the Holbrook case. CmcG wasn't aware of that when advising re AB.

The inability to see the witness statement is somewhat annoying here, she says she updated her view, but what to?