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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Nicola Sturgeon shouts “shame on you” to Tory MSP who mentioned last week’s demo

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Letsnotdothisplease · 08/09/2021 20:27

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 08/09/2021 20:31

I saw that earlier, an absolutely shocking response from the FM, so utterly dismissive.

CatherinaJTV · 08/09/2021 20:33

and she was absolutely right. How bigotted of any Tory to pretend they would be "for women's rights" when Tories have, for the past 11 years, made so many decisions that have made, in particular women's, lives harder. That's why I was so angry that those Tories were allowed to stand with the WWW crowd. It is a cheap point to score for them, a win win, they get to NOT do anything that actually helps women AND they get to oppose Nicola Sturgeon.

OllyBJolly · 08/09/2021 20:34

That really is outrageous - and very sad.

“Feminist to my fingertips?” “Naw you urnae!”

OllyBJolly · 08/09/2021 20:35

@CatherinaJTV The Scottish Tories have consistently and eloquently spoken against self-ID. I thank them for that.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 08/09/2021 20:36

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BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 08/09/2021 20:37

and yes, Nicola Sturgeon is a disgrace. 'shame on you' for listening to citizens? shows where her priorities lie doesn't it?

UmpteenthTime · 08/09/2021 20:38

I just can’t make sense of what NS is thinking.
All of it is mind blowing to me.
What’s her angle ? What am I missing?
I just don’t get it.
I’ve heard all the rumours about her marriage, Peter Murrell’s preferences etc etc but to dismiss women like this ?
Unbelievable.
How any self respecting woman can have any respect for NS is beyond me.
Does the majority of the Scottish electorate not see what’s happening ?
I’m shocked by this.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 08/09/2021 20:40

I say it every time, but i'm sure money has changed hands in some way. it's the only way I can rationalise the SNP's behaviour

Theeyeballsinthesky · 08/09/2021 20:41

I think part of the problem is that she’s so far down the road now she has no way back. I mean how can she turn around now and say “oops I was wrong”? She can’t, she’s thrown everything behind it. There’s no way back so she has to go on

Absolute madness

OvaHere · 08/09/2021 20:44

She really is awful. She should be properly grilled on her proposals and be made to spell out exactly what her definitions of women and trans are. What her position is on female sports, prisons, refuges and single sex spaces.

Here we all know what she thinks but I really think she needs to be made to own it using very clear language for the Scottish public.

Probably won't happen as she'll deflect and dodge any opportunity anyone has to do that.

CatherinaJTV · 08/09/2021 20:46

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CatherinaJTV · 08/09/2021 20:49

I’ve heard all the rumours about her marriage, Peter Murrell’s preferences etc etc but to dismiss women like this ?

Seriously? What's wrong with you? I cannot wait for the GRA reform to be passed, so this hate can stop.

GCAcademic · 08/09/2021 20:51

That's why I was so angry that those Tories were allowed to stand with the WWW crowd.

Oh come off it, you weren't angry, you were delighted and haven't been able stop trying to leverage accusations of bigotry since.

Unfortunately for you, most grown ups can recognise what actual bigotry looks like, and it isn't people who have different political points of view actually working together on some issues.

UmpteenthTime · 08/09/2021 20:55

There’s nothing wrong with me but there’s something absolutely rotten at the heart of the SG.
I’m trying to understand why women are being treated so badly.
There is a female First Minister who appears to be putting the hard fought rights of women like me at the bottom of the pile and I’d really like to know why.

CatherinaJTV · 08/09/2021 20:56

Y'all are such a gift to misogynists

CatherinaJTV · 08/09/2021 20:56

@UmpteenthTime

There’s nothing wrong with me but there’s something absolutely rotten at the heart of the SG. I’m trying to understand why women are being treated so badly. There is a female First Minister who appears to be putting the hard fought rights of women like me at the bottom of the pile and I’d really like to know why.
Women are treated badly by the Tories.
BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 08/09/2021 21:00

Y'all

ffs

FloralBunting · 08/09/2021 21:01

Y'all? Is the first language Texan?

Waitwhat23 · 08/09/2021 21:04

Ooh, @CatherinaJTV is here! Has anyone seen her answer this question yet?

'Cast your mind back to 2018, in England and Wales, when the Government Equalities Office launched a consultation on the Gender Recognition Act. This was an action taken by a conservative government, and IIRC it was spearheaded by Amber Rudd (a Tory). Your position is that it is unethical to work with Conservatives, because of their destructive policies that wreak havoc on women’s lives. Presumably, for this reason, you would have opposed the reform of the Gender Recognition act because it was conceived, sponsored and brought to life by a Tory Government.'

CatherinaJTV · 08/09/2021 21:05

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UmpteenthTime · 08/09/2021 21:05

Sigh, the discussion is about the reaction of the SNP First Minister of Scotland to a demonstration by Scottish women about women’s rights.
To be clear, I don’t hate anyone.
You have no idea about my background.
What I hate is lack of transparency, deceit and dismissal of people with real concerns.
Especially when the SNP plays the moral superiority card at every opportunity.

howonearthdidwegethere · 08/09/2021 21:05
  1. The Tories have advanced many policies that disadvantage women
  2. Nicola Sturgeon is not listening to women and shows contempt for women expressing concern about self-ID as this exchange showed

Both these statements can be simultaneously true.

We expected more from someone who self describes as a "feminist to her fingertips". She is nothing of the sort.

FlyingOink · 08/09/2021 21:07

I say it every time, but i'm sure money has changed hands in some way. it's the only way I can rationalise the SNP's behaviour
Isn't her husband being investigated for a financial scandal?
I'd suggest that the SNP is pretty much entirely bought by whoever has the most cash. The Labour Party in Scotland were the same when they had the overwhelming majority of the vote too. Scottish politics has always been pretty murky.

Thelnebriati · 08/09/2021 21:07

@CatherinaJTV

I'll leave you to your hate fest - as said. The GRA reform is going to be passed. Nothing detrimental will happen to cis women, trans people will get their GRCs with a less degrading process. People will wonder what the fuss was about.
It could be said that you ignoring the harm that is already being done to women where self ID has been introduced makes you a gift to misogynists.
CurrantTeacake · 08/09/2021 21:07

@CatherinaJTV

I’ve heard all the rumours about her marriage, Peter Murrell’s preferences etc etc but to dismiss women like this ?

Seriously? What's wrong with you? I cannot wait for the GRA reform to be passed, so this hate can stop.

What hate? Women’s anger is not hate. And if you seriously think women are just going to stand by quietly whilst wee Nicola brings in GRA reform, you are very, very mistaken.
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