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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Nicola Sturgeon shouts “shame on you” to Tory MSP who mentioned last week’s demo

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Letsnotdothisplease · 08/09/2021 20:27

twitter.com/forwomenscot/status/1435662934743687169?s=21

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merrymouse · 10/09/2021 18:02

Does Ireland work as an analogy? I don't think there is the same sense in Scotland of having been invaded, given the different history of the formation of the Union and continuance of separate Scottish legal/education/religious establishments. I thought the relationship with England was more condescension towards an inferior appendage while useful - a bit like the UK relationship with the EU.

Igneococcus · 10/09/2021 18:27

Times also reporting the "not valid" claim:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a1b8eff8-121c-11ec-86b8-9dcf48a101ba?shareToken=16572e639c59323b26ed7ecdfc128ce1

Jaysmith71 · 10/09/2021 18:32

Does Ireland work as an analogy?

Not entirely, but legally it's the precedent, a secession from the continuing UK with no need for a new Act of Union.

There's also Quebec, but that's primarily linguistic and cultural hence maybe a bit more Welsh, etc.

The SNP's preferred parallel with their mates in Catalunya is the worst of the three, and their references to the Czech-Slovak divorce are wishful thinking: The UK is not going to be dissolved, and the only share of the nation's foreign currency and gold reserves an indpendent Scotland would get would be in return for a one-for-one share of the national debt.

Igneococcus · 12/09/2021 05:13

According to a Panelbase poll for the Times, NS and the SNP are out of step with the Scottish electorate on GRA reform:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/30abcf32-134e-11ec-b01e-096275f2ac22?shareToken=58478af1d8c6357983f88928f8a58b5e

ArabellaScott · 12/09/2021 10:35

They are, Igneo. But surely they must be aware of this? Have they honestly been so sealed into their weird focus group bubble that they don't understand how this policy will play out?

Jaysmith71 · 12/09/2021 10:43

Have they honestly been so sealed into their weird focus group bubble that they don't understand how this policy will play out?

Story about Tony Benn, who would begin all his public meetings with something like, As I travel around this country, the people I meet tell me they agree with me about XYZ....

Fool or Knave, who knows, but the point Tony misses, or chooses to miss, is that the people who turn out to hear him are not a representative sample.

Waitwhat23 · 12/09/2021 10:43

Best quote in the comments regarding Sturgeon - 'The only thing she is interested in regarding schools are the lavatories. Unreal.'

FrancescaContini · 12/09/2021 13:11

[quote Igneococcus]According to a Panelbase poll for the Times, NS and the SNP are out of step with the Scottish electorate on GRA reform:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/30abcf32-134e-11ec-b01e-096275f2ac22?shareToken=58478af1d8c6357983f88928f8a58b5e[/quote]
Very informative article- thanks for sharing. And yes, some of the comments are astute / funny.

BTW, are primary school teachers in Scotland REALLY having to implement gender ideology regarding children playing with toys??

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