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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Nicola Sturgeon shouts “shame on you” to Tory MSP who mentioned last week’s demo

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Letsnotdothisplease · 08/09/2021 20:27

twitter.com/forwomenscot/status/1435662934743687169?s=21

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Jaysmith71 · 09/09/2021 18:23

....a case of clammyness is next to Godleyness?

BreadInCaptivity · 09/09/2021 18:23

I think NS's position is pretty clear.

She wants to hold onto power until she's sure she can invoke and win another indyref.

She's counting on her focus groups telling her that young voters support self ID.

In the meantime pro-gender identity politics is being adopted in Scottish schools and she only has to wait till these children turn 16 to vote.

Think of it - 2 years and she can use the education system to churn out huge numbers of children sympathetic to the SNP position.

In the meantime, older women are less likely to switch their vote if independence is a hill to die on and if they choose women's rights as their hill, she's still more likely to gain votes from the young than those she loses from women.

It's simple politics. She's decided that this stance has a higher probability of keeping her in power and securing an indyref win in the future.

The sad thing is that's she's probably right.

Most men will value independence over women's rights. The young she can "brainwash".

That leaves women in a very marginalised position with limited choices in who to vote for.

Alba should have been a good thing but it needs Salmond to step away. There needs to be more nuanced voting choices than SNP or nothing if you want independence.

If Scotland does achieve independence then frankly it's politics are likely to disintegrate because it's lost the one thing that holds it together and I think NS knows this - so she's in no hurry to push forward until she feels she's got other manifestos sewn up re: the electorate that will ensure their political domination going forward.

She's not a feminist. She's a very shrewd politician whose purpose is to hang on to her position in the long term.

Rhannion · 09/09/2021 18:29

Well Sturgeon’ s ego might be somewhat deflated now as her alter ego pal Janey has be dropped from the Covid advert she was fronting up here! 😂

Congressdingo · 09/09/2021 18:31

And what exactly is the stick?? It looks very threatening despite the pastel colours

It's a sword, I forget which kind now cos it was a while ago.
Frankly person of any sex walking into toilet and seeing that would be scared. It's not like murder sprees by a lone violent spree killer has never happened.

Barry prudhom comes to mind.

FrancescaContini · 09/09/2021 18:39

It’s a SWORD?? That man took a sword into the women’s public toilets??? I am just gobsmacked. And how terrifying for the woman.

Anordinarymum · 09/09/2021 18:44

Nichola Sturgeon is a NORF

Not one redeeming feature

Igneococcus · 09/09/2021 18:50

Somebody in the Times comments mentioned this:

www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19570149.holyrood-protesters-face-criminal-prosecution-new-law/

Artichokeleaves · 09/09/2021 18:58

@FrancescaContini

It’s a SWORD?? That man took a sword into the women’s public toilets??? I am just gobsmacked. And how terrifying for the woman.
And is claiming at the same time to doing this because of feeling angry and hurt that a woman saw this and was frightened enough to leave, although the social media image there suggests there's rather more enjoyment of intimidation and envisaging punishing women than hurt feelings. If it is hurt feelings inspiring this desire to punish women.... well I still don't want to be involved, thanks. #ijustwanttopee

This is why many women, and I will be among them, will just not even try using a space where you may be forced to run such a gauntlet to meet your bodily needs.

No thank you.

ScreamingMeMe · 09/09/2021 19:10

[quote Igneococcus]Somebody in the Times comments mentioned this:

www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19570149.holyrood-protesters-face-criminal-prosecution-new-law/[/quote]
Jesus. The totalitarianism keeps on creeping in.

Waitwhat23 · 09/09/2021 19:39

@ScreamingMeMe some excellent comments on there though. Concise and informative as opposed to the other comments which essentially just say 'you'll take any chance to run down the SNP!' without actually addressing any of the issues.

LobsterNapkin · 09/09/2021 19:55

@ShrillSiren

The thing with the SNP seems to be that they've (or whoever is paying them) have realised that people will vote for them purely for independence, no matter what they do. So they can do anything and still win votes. Until more people in Scotland actually know what's going on this is going to continue. What they've done so far has been seen as niche issues, and not affected men TBH, so it's going to keep going until it starts affecting them. It may be too late by then.
Something that has struck me more than once though is that if you look at the countries where the government seems to be really captured, they all have in this commonality of a kind of decolonising narrative at work. I've started to think that's more important somehow in this than the specific way it is being expressed politically.
ScreamingMeMe · 09/09/2021 20:25

Good to hear Waitwhat23 !

Even more from Janey Godley. Use of the following slurs in tweets and voice recordings (!)

The p slur for people of Pakistani origin
The p slur for gay men
The g slur for people from the traveller community / of Romany origin

She even combined the two p slurs in one tweet.

ArabellaScott · 09/09/2021 20:27

She's not a feminist. She's a very shrewd politician whose purpose is to hang on to her position in the long term.

Yes. That's a pretty depressing analysis, and it sounds perfectly possible. The only thing I'm not sure of is how happy all those men are going to be if they twig to how dirtily the SNP are increasingly playing. There's a sizeable chunk of SNP voters who were firmly behind Salmond and won't enjoy what Sturgeon's doing to the party.

And/or how they will respond if their wives/daughters/mothers start to be affected by the issues involved, here.

PronounssheRa · 09/09/2021 20:29

@ArabellaScott

Sturgeon has described Jane Godley as her 'alter ego'.
Progressive aren't they Confused
KimikosNightmare · 09/09/2021 20:49

This is hilarious.

Nicola Sturgeon shouts “shame on you” to Tory MSP who mentioned last week’s demo
IsitM · 09/09/2021 21:33

I am seeing some discussion on social media about whether the Scottish govt actually has the right to reform the GRA; it is unclear, especially given how it knits together with the EqA 2010.

So Nicola Sturgeon can promise to reform it, yet may find it isn’t possible from a constitutional point of view, so she could then claim yet again that Westminster are thwarting the ‘will of the Scottish people’.

I have seen lawyers arguing over this so the legality does not appear to be straightforward, especially when it comes to altering birth certificates. I think this is going to get pretty complicated.

This could be why Sturgeon is pushing it so hard; yet another way to bash Westminster whilst appearing ‘progressive’.

ScreamingMeMe · 09/09/2021 21:54

@KimikosNightmare

This is hilarious.
The irony!!
Waitwhat23 · 09/09/2021 22:00

No idea why the link isn't working!

Sexnotgender · 09/09/2021 22:01

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg

I say it every time, but i'm sure money has changed hands in some way. it's the only way I can rationalise the SNP's behaviour
Totally agree.

SOMETHING must be going on as it makes zero sense otherwise.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/09/2021 22:03

This could be why Sturgeon is pushing it so hard; yet another way to bash Westminster whilst appearing ‘progressive’.

This is exactly why she's doing it. She's desperate for Scotland to be seen as more progressive than England. And the GRA is one way she has chosen to demonstrate that. Unfortunately for her it's not going to be an easy win.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/09/2021 22:04

SOMETHING must be going on as it makes zero sense otherwise.

See also the quiet dropping of the plan for a state owned energy company...

Waitwhat23 · 09/09/2021 22:07

Thank you @CharlieParley ! Still not sure why my link wouldn't work

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