If you avoid the feminist section then at least read this article

[RedthroatedCaracara]

because all females need to be aware of this

And there's no need to have an attack of the vapours because it's a Daily Mail link. For all their multitude of shortcomings, the Mail at least have the guts to publish articles that stand up for women and girls.

lifeturnsonadime

I know that autistic people, particularly autistic children are particularly susceptible to this ideology, because of the language problem and the stereotype issue. So you have my deepest sympathy.

@lifeturnsonadime

I have told you why autistic women like my daughter won't know this applies to them and you don't care.

You have said it is one tweet and will not have a huge impact.

I am not in the wrong here and have nothing to apologise to you for.

More offensive bullshit, and more deliberate misinterpretation of my post. You absolutely are in the wrong, and it’s pathetic, bulling behaviour because you have no other thread to pull at.

[quote PurgatoryOfPotholes]Vulva people may also experience pain during intercourse and bleeding between periods

twitter.com/ExploreSexTalk/status/1320156260377919491?s=19

"What to expect in your 30s

For vulva owners, the 30s might as well be called the Do It All decade.

It’s a time when many vulva owners are trying to build a career, sustain a (or many) romantic relationship(s), be a parent, spend time with friends, and more. Because the entire endocrine system is connected, when your cortisol levels surge, it can throw your sex hormones out of whack. That’s why this can be a decade of sky-high stress and ground-low libido, especiallyfor new parents."

feminapt.com/media-content/heather-jeffcoat-at-healthline/healthline-hey-vulva-owners-your-sexual-peak-may-last-longer-than-you-think[/quote]
Grim

I’ve already seen vagina havers on P&G copy

Do those who have them get penis havers

@Datun

lifeturnsonadime

I know that autistic people, particularly autistic children are particularly susceptible to this ideology, because of the language problem and the stereotype issue. So you have my deepest sympathy.

That’s almost exact what I said:

I completely see your point, and I appreciate how language changing must impact your daughter. I also appreciate that other people with autism may not have parents around them to help them navigate issues like this. That charity should have known better.

Datun thank you.

My daughter doesn't conform to gender stereotypes but thankfully, for now, she is content with being a girl. She's only 12 though so who knows what the future will bring.

Pumper I'm not bullying you. Will you stop with the ridiculous allegations.

I really don't get what the problem is I have explained why I find what you said offensive. It is offensive.

Sorry it is offensive to me.

Please call us women, not females like we're dogs

@lifeturnsonadime

Pumper I'm not bullying you. Will you stop with the ridiculous allegations.

I really don't get what the problem is I have explained why I find what you said offensive. It is offensive.

You’ve explained why your misinterpretation of it is offensive to you, but that’s still not what I said. And still no apology for the accusations you’re still slinging my way, like this one: I have told you why autistic women like my daughter won't know this applies to them and you don't care

But you don't care because you have said it doesn't cause harm. It does.If you will accept that it causes harm then we might be able to meet somewhere in the middle.

While you keep minimising the impact of these issues then we can't.

@lifeturnsonadime

But you don't care because you have said it doesn't cause harm. It does.If you will accept that it causes harm then we might be able to meet somewhere in the middle.

While you keep minimising the impact of these issues then we can't.

Where did I say it doesn’t cause harm?

I’m really shocked at how you’ve gone on and on at the mother of an autistic child, trying to trip her up and wear her down when it’s clear that this is a personal and emotional issue for her, whereas for you it’s just a constant dismissive refrain of “not a widespread problem - nothing to see here”.

I wonder how many disenfranchised women it will take before you consider it worthy of your concern.

This.

You said it doesn't impact in a huge way.

To me it does. Not sending a clear message can harm women and girls who do not understand they need the smear test. That is a huge impact on vulnerable people who need clear language in order to not miss essential health screening.

The impact of this is that vulnerable women and girls might well suffer harm.

If that is not enough for you to see that precise and clear language is required then it is logical for me to conclude that you don't care that it might harm because it's not widespread & according to you doesn't impact in a huge way.

@lifeturnsonadime

You said it doesn't impact in a huge way.

To me it does. Not sending a clear message can harm women and girls who do not understand they need the smear test. That is a huge impact on vulnerable people who need clear language in order to not miss essential health screening.

The impact of this is that vulnerable women and girls might well suffer harm.

If that is not enough for you to see that precise and clear language is required then it is logical for me to conclude that you don't care that it might harm because it's not widespread & according to you doesn't impact in a huge way.

You accused me of saying it doesn’t cause harm though. Where did I say that?

That’s almost exact what I said:

Except it wasn't all of it as you then said:

But I do feel like I have to point out again, I’m not arguing it’s not happening at all. I’m saying it’s not happening in a way that impacts in any huge way, it’s not a widespread issue.

You didn't quote the rest of your post, Pumper... who are you to decide what the impact is?

It's a gradual attempt to uncouple the words 'women', 'mother' 'she' 'her' and eventually 'female' from their exclusive use by the female sex class in order to be inclusive of males who wish to use them.

Thin end of the wedge. Boiling a frog. Take your pick of metaphor.

Drip, drip, drip, drip

What are your preferred pronouns?

Drip, drip, drip, drip

Gender: Female (including trans woman)
Male (including trans man)
Non - binary
Prefer not to say

Drip, drip, drip, drip

"Woman=adult human female" is a transphobic dog whistle; a TW being 'a male who identifies as a woman' ditto.

Drip, drip, drip, drip

Homosexuality is when people are attracted to people of the same gender

Drip, drip, drip, drip

A lesbian can be a female who is exclusively sexually attracted to other females AND a male who identifies as a female attracted to females AND a male who identifies as a female attracted to a male who identifies as a female.

Drip, drip, drip, drip

People with a Cervix , menstruator, vagina haver, birthing parent, remove the female symbol from Always, ovulator, vulva owner

Drip, drip, drip, drip

Women's prizes, women's shortlists, women's sports, women's refuges, changing rooms toilets, hospital wards, open to anyone who 'identifies as a woman'

Drip, drip, drip, drip

Draft a bill on maternity leave for government ministers using gender neutral language

Drip, drip, drip, drip

Police forces/CPS charge criminals based on their self declared gender identity

Drip, drip, drip, drip

Equal treatment bench book : use the pronouns/name in line with the gender identity of the accused

Drip, drip, drip, drip

Newspapers following ipso rules report crimes based on gender identity rather than sex of perpetrators

Drip, drip, drip, drip

TW with a GRC housed automatically in women's prisons

Drip, drip, drip, drip

Men who identify as women but without a GRC also housed in women's prisons

Drip, drip, drip, drip

Ministry of Justice brought to court by a woman prisoner over TW who go on to sexually assault women in women's prison

Drip, drip, drip, drip...

@ANewCreation

It's a gradual attempt to uncouple the words 'women', 'mother' 'she' 'her' and eventually 'female' from their exclusive use by the female sex class in order to be inclusive of males who wish to use them.

Thin end of the wedge. Boiling a frog. Take your pick of metaphor.

Drip, drip, drip, drip

What are your preferred pronouns?

Drip, drip, drip, drip

Gender: Female (including trans woman)
Male (including trans man)
Non - binary
Prefer not to say

Drip, drip, drip, drip

"Woman=adult human female" is a transphobic dog whistle; a TW being 'a male who identifies as a woman' ditto.

Drip, drip, drip, drip

Homosexuality is when people are attracted to people of the same gender

Drip, drip, drip, drip

A lesbian can be a female who is exclusively sexually attracted to other females AND a male who identifies as a female attracted to females AND a male who identifies as a female attracted to a male who identifies as a female.

Drip, drip, drip, drip

People with a Cervix , menstruator, vagina haver, birthing parent, remove the female symbol from Always, ovulator, vulva owner

Drip, drip, drip, drip

Women's prizes, women's shortlists, women's sports, women's refuges, changing rooms toilets, hospital wards, open to anyone who 'identifies as a woman'

Drip, drip, drip, drip

Draft a bill on maternity leave for government ministers using gender neutral language

Drip, drip, drip, drip

Police forces/CPS charge criminals based on their self declared gender identity

Drip, drip, drip, drip

Equal treatment bench book : use the pronouns/name in line with the gender identity of the accused

Drip, drip, drip, drip

Newspapers following ipso rules report crimes based on gender identity rather than sex of perpetrators

Drip, drip, drip, drip

TW with a GRC housed automatically in women's prisons

Drip, drip, drip, drip

Men who identify as women but without a GRC also housed in women's prisons

Drip, drip, drip, drip

Ministry of Justice brought to court by a woman prisoner over TW who go on to sexually assault women in women's prison

Drip, drip, drip, drip...

Exactly! Worth quoting whole thing as very well said.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

That’s almost exact what I said:

Except it wasn't all of it as you then said:

But I do feel like I have to point out again, I’m not arguing it’s not happening at all. I’m saying it’s not happening in a way that impacts in any huge way, it’s not a widespread issue.

You didn't quote the rest of your post, Pumper... who are you to decide what the impact is?

I completely see your point, and I appreciate how language changing must impact your daughter. I also appreciate that other people with autism may not have parents around them to help them navigate issues like this. That charity should have known better.

But I do feel like I have to point out again, I’m not arguing it’s not happening at all. I’m saying it’s not happening in a way that impacts in any huge way, it’s not a widespread issue. That one autism charity should know better, but what about all the other autism charities, are they all doing the same thing?

Just for you @Ereshkigalangcleg - I’d say I’m just as qualified as you to decide what the impact one tweet from one charity has on the world.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

That’s almost exact what I said:

Except it wasn't all of it as you then said:

But I do feel like I have to point out again, I’m not arguing it’s not happening at all. I’m saying it’s not happening in a way that impacts in any huge way, it’s not a widespread issue.

You didn't quote the rest of your post, Pumper... who are you to decide what the impact is?

I’ve just realised you too did a very selective cut and paste!

Yes you have. And it's important to reach the many people that just read this without responding. This is how change happens. As we have already started to see.

Exactly. The sort of posters who merail forum threads for hours with pointless and disingenuous nitpicking of the wording of posts and a thorough focus on their uninteresting personal take on the matter always at least provide the opportunity to restate what the problems/issues are for a new audience.

I’ve just realised you too did a very selective cut and paste!

Well yes, because I was adding the bit that you didn't  you have no insight into the impact on lifeturnsonadime's daughter, so she made a perfectly reasonable conclusion, given your dismissive attitude to the social media posts in question.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Yes you have. And it's important to reach the many people that just read this without responding. This is how change happens. As we have already started to see.

Exactly. The sort of posters who merail forum threads for hours with pointless and disingenuous nitpicking of the wording of posts and a thorough focus on their uninteresting personal take on the matter always at least provide the opportunity to restate what the problems/issues are for a new audience.

Oh nothing pointless or disingenuous about this post! Or cutting and pasting selectively, no, you’re on a much higher ground.

It's a gradual attempt to uncouple the words 'women', 'mother' 'she' 'her' and eventually 'female' from their exclusive use by the female sex class in order to be inclusive of males who wish to use them.

Thin end of the wedge. Boiling a frog. Take your pick of metaphor.

Drip, drip, drip, drip

What are your preferred pronouns?

Drip, drip, drip, drip

Gender: Female (including trans woman)
Male (including trans man)
Non - binary
Prefer not to say

Drip, drip, drip, drip

"Woman=adult human female" is a transphobic dog whistle; a TW being 'a male who identifies as a woman' ditto.

Drip, drip, drip, drip

Homosexuality is when people are attracted to people of the same gender

Drip, drip, drip, drip

A lesbian can be a female who is exclusively sexually attracted to other females AND a male who identifies as a female attracted to females AND a male who identifies as a female attracted to a male who identifies as a female.

Drip, drip, drip, drip

People with a Cervix , menstruator, vagina haver, birthing parent, remove the female symbol from Always, ovulator, vulva owner

Drip, drip, drip, drip

Women's prizes, women's shortlists, women's sports, women's refuges, changing rooms toilets, hospital wards, open to anyone who 'identifies as a woman'

Drip, drip, drip, drip

Draft a bill on maternity leave for government ministers using gender neutral language

Drip, drip, drip, drip

Police forces/CPS charge criminals based on their self declared gender identity

Drip, drip, drip, drip

Equal treatment bench book : use the pronouns/name in line with the gender identity of the accused

Drip, drip, drip, drip

Newspapers following ipso rules report crimes based on gender identity rather than sex of perpetrators

Drip, drip, drip, drip

TW with a GRC housed automatically in women's prisons

Drip, drip, drip, drip

Men who identify as women but without a GRC also housed in women's prisons

Drip, drip, drip, drip

Ministry of Justice brought to court by a woman prisoner over TW who go on to sexually assault women in women's prison

Drip, drip, drip, drip...

This is a fantastic post. Brilliantly makes the point that it's not just "one tweet", it's so much more. Which we all know perfectly well. No patience with some of the disingenuous posts on this thread, but it's worth reading for this one. Thank you ANewCreation

I really need to work out how to use the quote function though

I think we're replacing words when we should be reappropriating them instead. Eg, some non-heterosexual couples try to raise their children with one of them being a 'father-figure' in this sense they are still a woman, identify as a woman but also as a father.
Breastmilk is applicable to all in the sense that men, women and human beings in general, have breasts, they can have breast cancer so they have breast tissue albeit less protruding.
So the term breast feeding can be appropriated as a way the baby is held close to the heart even when being fed with a bottle that is appropriately called breast milk because the heart is behind the breast part of the chest. You know, making it inclusive in a sweet and wholesome way.

@Dione2594

I think we're replacing words when we should be reappropriating them instead. Eg, some non-heterosexual couples try to raise their children with one of them being a 'father-figure' in this sense they are still a woman, identify as a woman but also as a father. Breastmilk is applicable to all in the sense that men, women and human beings in general, have breasts, they can have breast cancer so they have breast tissue albeit less protruding. So the term breast feeding can be appropriated as a way the baby is held close to the heart even when being fed with a bottle that is appropriately called breast milk because the heart is behind the breast part of the chest. You know, making it inclusive in a sweet and wholesome way.

Please tell me you’re on a wind-up.