It never stops in West Yorkshire. 29 Men Charged in Connection with Child Sexual Exploitation in Calderdale

[nickymanchester]

This was a press release from West Yorkshire police yesterday:-

www.westyorkshire.police.uk/news-appeals/29-men-charged-connection-child-sexual-exploitation-calderdale

It's connected to historic offences committed against a single victim from 2003 to 2010.

On the plus side, WYP do now seem to be taking these things more seriously but on the down side this is still from more than ten years ago.

Also, what really got to me about this story was that there were 29 men charged for crimes against the same, single victim.

I can't imagine what her life must have been like as a teenager when the offending was taking place.

If you look at election results from 2003 onwards, they are not 'solid Labour' even in Halifax. The BNP got a councillor in one ward, which says a lot about voting trends.

www.calderdale.gov.uk/council/democracy/electionresults/index.jsp?type=local

In the 2010 General Election, the Labour majority was only about 1400 votes. By the 2015 General Election, the Labour MP won by fewer than 500 votes and it was regarded as a marginal constituency.

Labour have made gains since both in the general elections and local elections, but in the 2003 - 2010 period referenced in the OP Labour were on a downward trend and not very 'solid' at all and, as stated, the council was not under Labour control.

It's that perspective that is the problem.

The pp was being sarcastic about the way it has been handled

The "Asian community" in West Yorkshire is, in reality, highly fractured along class, creed and educational lines.The groomers are, inevitably, from what you might call an "underclass".

It's the victims who are an underclass. The gangs are drawn from various classes. They have included police men, local business men, councillors, local civil servants, solicitors

They aren't the Yorkshire Asian Muslim lower middle or middle class professionals who work in the NHS, law, education, universities etc

You know this how?

This professional group, of both residents and born-citizens, is huge in West Yorkshire and horrified by the grooming gangs, just as they were horrified by 7/7.

Well as far as I can see they aren't out there complaining about it. But they will complain about events thousands of miles away. ATM there are dozens of cars in convoys, screeching around these areas with huge Palestinian flags set up causing traffic chaos. All men of course, and barracking locals on high streets about it

But here's the thing: they don't associate with the class these groomers come from; they are not in the same cultural or social sphere of reference.

They are their relatives, and in laws, their fellow Mosque attendees and community brethren. They say NOTHING

...The BNP got a councillor in one ward

I wonder why !

The point I'm making about these tragic events is that they shouldn't be used as a reason for knee-jerk Labour-bashing.

The point I'm making about these tragic events...

Tragic events? A tragedy is a wild fire in California, an earthquake in Italy, a bad monsoon season in Bangladesh

These are serious orgised crimes and they were ignored for decades

... is that they shouldn't be used as a reason for knee-jerk Labour-bashing

Why not? It happened under their governance in their heartlands, to their working class daughters. To the communities the LP was set up to protect in the first place

Then the country wonders why the red wall is collapsing

It's a story as old as time and continuing to this day - the feelings of male minority groups are prioritised above the physical safety and mental health of girls and women.

@Arbadacarba

If you look at election results from 2003 onwards, they are not 'solid Labour' even in Halifax. The BNP got a councillor in one ward, which says a lot about voting trends.

www.calderdale.gov.uk/council/democracy/electionresults/index.jsp?type=local

In the 2010 General Election, the Labour majority was only about 1400 votes. By the 2015 General Election, the Labour MP won by fewer than 500 votes and it was regarded as a marginal constituency.

Labour have made gains since both in the general elections and local elections, but in the 2003 - 2010 period referenced in the OP Labour were on a downward trend and not very 'solid' at all and, as stated, the council was not under Labour control.

Why do you think that is happening? Perhaps poor handling of this is why Labour's vote is crumbling.

I don't agree this is 'woke cowardice'. I'm too old to be woke and remember wrestling with cultural relativity Vs FGM horror.
It's sort of the inverse of intersectional issues isn't it? How to support a group who are an oppressed minority (British Asian) and also the opposer (men).

Obviously in this case it should be simple because they are committing horrendous crimes.

Why do you think that is happening? Perhaps poor handling of this is why Labour's vote is crumbling.

Well, they have recovered a bit since 2015. In the last GE Holly Lynch had a comfortable majority, and in the local elections just past, Labour held on to their overall control by 2 seats.

I'm not sure to what extent sexual abuse crime influences voting for the majority of electors in the area. I think there is a lack of confidence in Labour but there's no viable alternative. The Tories don't seem bothered about this area - they don't even canvass. The candidate they offered for the last GE wasn't local and when I googled him, he seemed to be someone the Conservatives just touted round to contest various northern seats they weren't really bothered about.

Labour, on the other hand, always canvass and will engage meaningfully in 'doorstop debate' when questioned about policy. The Tories might stand a chance if they did something more than phone in their election campaigns.

Childrenofthestones

"I'll tell you something for nothing Nice Gerbil. I have never seen a discussion on The catholic priests, or Jimmy Saville or John Warboys where somebody brought up Pakistani /Muslim grooming gangs, but I am yet to see a discussion about these grooming gangs that didn't have somebody bringing up Saville etc. Its a practice rife across forums everywhere."

This, 100%.
Everyone knows that there are white, male sex offenders and rapists, but the major difference between those individuals, is that the girls victimised by the grooming gangs were targeted because of how they were perceived due to their race, and the men were from the same ethnic background, working in massive networked groups maybe as large as a thousand perpetrators in each gang.

"The point I'm making about these tragic events is that they shouldn't be used as a reason for knee-jerk Labour-bashing."

Tell that to Rotherham Labour MP Sarah Champion, who lost her place in the shadow cabinet for speaking out about the grooming gangs. Alexander Stafford (Conservative MP for Rother Valley, next to Rotherham) was criticised by Labour MP Jess Phillips, when he spoke up against this in Parliament earlier this year. Being afraid of speaking out about a problem, or refusing to recognise key points, makes it more likely that the problem will never be solved.

Arbadacarba

"Labour, on the other hand, always canvass and will engage meaningfully in 'doorstop debate' when questioned about policy. The Tories might stand a chance if they did something more than phone in their election campaigns."

I live in what used to be a safe Labour seat in the South East and I cannot remember the last time a Labour candidate visited our neighbourhood.

I grew up in London and the men who were saying get in the car, the ones who got underage schoolgirls pregnant, the ones who picked up girls in clubs and assaulted them.. and so on...

Some white men may be targeting children. No shit Sherlock.

My problem is that I see it as girls and women being failed across the board.

And the perpetrators are always 'this group of men'. Hiving them off as a particular group. Obfuscating the fact that the root problem is men. Not just this group or that group. And giving everyone a sigh of relief oh it's just men like this or men like that. They are the problem. Disrupting the overall question which is. Why do this group of rapists do it like this and how can we focus on that. And that group operate another way and how did they get away with it and continue to do so. And overall why are women and girls so unimportant when it comes to sexual violence. And wtf is wrong with the massive minority of men who carry out offences across the board against women and girls.

And the point that men are the problem, not just this sort or that sort. Is raised frequently on threads about grooming and sexual abuse.

However as I can see that posters like me are believed to be as complicit in the continuing abuse of all these girls as the police and SS and all the other government agencies who turned a blind eye and continue to do so (and therefore essentially sorry l support the men who are doing this) then you're entitled to your opinion obviously.

Men see women as a constant and ever-present threat to male supremacy that is why they crush, hobble denigrate and destroy us at every opportunity

To add to the whataboutery, many many years ago, probably the 70s, my dad was a senior detective in the Met. He investigated a murder in a North London childrens home, where the motive turned out to be jealousy between one senior manager and another over the affections of a child. This was in full PIE days and he was repeatedly told that children needed 'love'.

He asked if he could stay on and investigate what was rampant child abuse. This was refused, apparently at a political level. The Council was Labour, and included a few names that went on to glittering careers. But the government of the day equally might have been Conservative. My dad was furious, but there was nothing he could do.

We now all know about the care home scandals. There was political failure then. There is political failure now.

Finchley Road Palestine protest in London. Rape threats
This sounds like a Northern/Pakistani accent. I'm not just saying that to be sarcastic, it really does. My guess is West Yorkshire

Spotify fan JB™️ (@gunnerpunner) Tweeted: Finchley Road. North London. 2021.

Genuinely terrifying. t.co/8I4puROGeA twitter.com/gunnerpunner/status/1393920559243829248?s=20

[quote Flaxmeadow]Finchley Road Palestine protest in London. Rape threats
This sounds like a Northern/Pakistani accent. I'm not just saying that to be sarcastic, it really does. My guess is West Yorkshire

Spotify fan JB™️ (@gunnerpunner) Tweeted: Finchley Road. North London. 2021.

Genuinely terrifying. t.co/8I4puROGeA twitter.com/gunnerpunner/status/1393920559243829248?s=20[/quote]
I wont hold my breath waiting to see that on the 9 o'clock news.

I take that back (sort of ) Its on the front page of the BBC new site.
We'll see if it makes it to the 9 0clock news. 🤔

4 of them have been arrested.

That is disgusting.

@Packingsoapandwater thanks for your considered response. But it changes nothing. I don't care how finely we slice the population, it changes nothing - Muslim men committed these crimes and to be frank if they are more deprived or less educated than the non crime-committing Muslim men of the area, its irrelevant. You cannot turn this into a matter of class or deprivation when their victims are based on their perceived worthlessness as white girls.

All my life I've been a "woke" liberal, Labour voter and strongly anti racist. But the reality is that no amount of reframing will change the facts here; that the criminals are men first, Muslim second, and poor third.

Ultimately it is men who are Muslims committing these huge gang rapes.

Yes white men rape. But this is about Muslim men, gangs and their view of white girls. Until this is acknowledged and discussed it will continue. 1000s of white girls are and will get abused. Is that acceptable?

100% agree @Feelinghothothottoday

Also everything @Flaxmeadow has said.

The CSE that has happened and continues to happen by organised groups of men in the uk is a specific type of behaviour from a demographic that is particular and separate from other acts of sexual violence and abuse that are also happening in this country.

And should be acknowledged and dealt with as such in order to get justice for victims and to protect our girls in the future.

Unfortunately for many people the truth is too uncomfortable.

@IheartJKR

And should be acknowledged and dealt with as such in order to get justice for victims and to protect our girls in the future.

Unfortunately for many people the truth is too uncomfortable.

Exactly this - the truth is too uncomfortable.

I’m still feeling shocked reading how biased the report on this was which concluded that it’s mainly white male gangs. I remember arguing with my partner’s family about this defending the report. I now feel like a fool.