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It never stops in West Yorkshire. 29 Men Charged in Connection with Child Sexual Exploitation in Calderdale

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nickymanchester · 13/05/2021 11:31

This was a press release from West Yorkshire police yesterday:-

www.westyorkshire.police.uk/news-appeals/29-men-charged-connection-child-sexual-exploitation-calderdale

It's connected to historic offences committed against a single victim from 2003 to 2010.

On the plus side, WYP do now seem to be taking these things more seriously but on the down side this is still from more than ten years ago.

Also, what really got to me about this story was that there were 29 men charged for crimes against the same, single victim.

I can't imagine what her life must have been like as a teenager when the offending was taking place.

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Flaxmeadow · 15/05/2021 00:20

Priti Patel made an interesting forward to the HO report. She acknowledged that the data in it was incomplete

On Womens Day, in an interview, she also said that the victims of grooming gangs were her 'hero women'

I know people dislike her, but to me a lot of the criticism is unfair and especially when it comes from men

Flaxmeadow · 15/05/2021 00:33

...and where are all these celebrities on this issue. They will weep and wail over some such case or cause, even thousands of miles away, but they never come out and say anything about this! The ones actually from the north are the worst. I've seen them on instagram virtue signalling and pushing causes from places wide and far, but for what's happening to women and girls in the town or city they are from, they couldn't give a shite

NiceGerbil · 15/05/2021 01:02

I find it really unsettling to read that quote.

Hero women?

What of the girl who was murderered?
What of the girls who have had their lives destroyed by it? How will they feel about being described as heroic?

To be a hero you do something heroic. You take risk to help. You put others before yourself.

How is being sexually abused as a child heroic?

NiceGerbil · 15/05/2021 01:04

Or was it about the girls/ women who fought and fought to see these men brought to justice.

Against a system that didn't care, wasn't interested.

The ones who were denied criminal compensation even after their abusers were found guilty on the basis they were 'victims in law but not necessarily in fact'.

In other words who had to fight the government and their agencies.

Flaxmeadow · 15/05/2021 01:07

To be a hero you do something heroic. You take risk to help. You put others before yourself.

How is being sexually abused as a child heroic?

I'm not sure 'hero women' was the exact term she used, but they are heroes because they stood up in court against organised crime. Priti Patel was rightly acknowledging this

NiceGerbil · 15/05/2021 01:16

It would be useful if the poster gave a link. Or the full quote and context.

Flaxmeadow · 15/05/2021 01:17

Against a system that didn't care, wasn't interested.

Yes, a Labour party led system, wholesale swallowing bonkers identity politcs from the USA. A system that says white girls cannot be victims of BAME crime

For example, you have a situation RIGHT NOW this week, in the town under discussion, where the local MP cares more about a plane load of male illegal immigrants being sent back to the far east and a millionaire aristocrat living in a mansion in California, than she does about what's happening to women and girls on the streets of the town she is supposed to be representing in parliament

NiceGerbil · 15/05/2021 01:20

'Hussain, known as Mad Ash around Rotherham, South Yorkshire, was one of three brothers behind the grooming and sexual abuse of more than 50 girls including Ms Woodhouse.'

'He was jailed for 35 years for 23 offences including indecent assault and rape.

CICA had originally refused compensation in Ms Woodhouse's case, stating in its response: "I am not satisfied that your consent was falsely given as a result of being groomed by the offender.

"The evidence does not indicate that you were manipulated or progressively lured into a false relationship."'

This is what girls and women and up against.

Rape prosecutions are at an all time low.

None of the parties care about women. But they expect us to make the tea, take the minutes, stuff the envelopes. And do what we're told.

This is not party political.

None of them are really interested at all.

NiceGerbil · 15/05/2021 01:26

I find this politicking dull tbh.

I'm a grown up and have my own well formed and considered political views.

This those people bad those people good that's that.

Take it to Twitter they love all that.

This is fwr and the conversation is about women and girls.

I find this constant diversion into red/ blue really off topic. None of the parties have an appetite for genuinely confronting the massive amount of crime against women and girls. Never have.

Flaxmeadow · 15/05/2021 01:32

What has the female MP for Halifax said about this, the 4th gang prosecution/attempt at prosecution of this type of crime? Nothing as far as I can see.

But she had plenty to say about a multi millionaire arictocrat mansion dweller in California though, and alleged hurty words in the press. She is famous for it. For writing an open letter

Why are Labour not saying anything about any of this? Aren't they representing their northern heartlands anymore? The viciously exploited daughters of the old coal mines and mill districts. Don't they matter anymore

Those women in the party, those MPs, that dared to speak were ostracised and called racist

Flaxmeadow · 15/05/2021 01:37

None of the parties have an appetite for genuinely confronting the massive amount of crime against women and girls. Never have.

It's happening in the so called Red Wall. Do you wonder why it's collapsing

NiceGerbil · 15/05/2021 01:49

So what are you saying?

Yes labour are haemorrhaging loyal supporters. For a large number of reasons.

What are you saying is the alternative for those who cannot support labour any more in its current form?

Flaxmeadow · 15/05/2021 01:55

What are you saying is the alternative for those who cannot support labour any more in its current form?

Good question but at least Patel acknowledged the seriousness and scale of these crimes on Womens Day. So there you go.

I don't take pleasure in this collapse of support for the LP in the north gerbil. I just don't know all the answers right now

I come from coal miners and mill workers, from strong ties. But right now, I don't recognise the party I grew up with anymore

Flaxmeadow · 15/05/2021 02:03

Someone mentioned Naz Shah earlier and the tweet

To be fair, and I hate the party ATM, but to be fair. That tweet I think was a genuine mistake on her part.

The original tweet she reposted was satire, something like
"Those girls need to shut up for the sake of diversity" (a sarcastic comment on the gangs)

Shah retweeted it or liked it or some such. But I honestly don't think she, or her twitter wallah, actually meant it literally

I think she either understood the satire, misunderstood it or either way accidentally did it

Shah comes from a very abusive background herself and has spoken out about it very openly

Flaxmeadow · 15/05/2021 02:08

So yeah I will defend Patel, but even though I despise the LP at the moment, I will also defend Shah because I think she was misunderstood there

NiceGerbil · 15/05/2021 02:12

Priti Patel has done some awful stuff though.

And it's just words, you know? Words are easy.

I have no interest in picking at individual politicians tbh. I mean they're people. Some may say things that I agree with at one time and things I disagree with at another.

In the end the party comes first.

Labour was useless on loads of stuff. Anti semitism. Diabolical reaction. Brexit - put ideology ahead of real world. Momentum is the 'loony left' all over again. Too many seem more interested in internal power. Infighting. And not interested at all in the actual aims of a political party.

The conservatives look after their own.

They're all useless.

Politicking is boring.

This is fwr. Let's focus on women and girls. What to do. None of the parties are a decent option for women.

Flaxmeadow · 15/05/2021 02:20

Yes but it might not mean anything in London, but her words on Womens Day, mean something here in the north. It's rare that someone speaks out on this issue of gang crime in the north.

I am speaking about women. I'm taking about Patel and Shah. Polar opposites politically but I'm speaking up for both of them

Let's focus on women and girls

I agree

Flaxmeadow · 15/05/2021 02:22

...and I really admire the women on this feminist board too. I just wanted to say that because I've watched it for a while. I admire you all

NiceGerbil · 15/05/2021 02:41

Have you got a link to what she said?

Words mean nothing. They're easy.

For the government to call sexually abused girls heroes for not giving up fighting entities run by the government seems crass.

And the grooming continues. Nothing changes. They have been in power for years.

As for London. The met are a shitshow. Over and over again. Killing innocent people then lying about it. Corruption. Strangely good at black men dying in custody. Sapphire rape unit fabricating evidence, throwing files away. Had to be disbanded. Left warboys raping for years after they could have got him. Laughed at victims when they reported. Reid. Even this recent thing. Man committed a sex offence that was very bold. Didn't bother looking into it. Then abduction murder. One of their own. The sisters who were murdered in a park and they tampered with their bodies and took selfies. That they sent to a watsapp group to other police officers.

I could go on and on.

The specifics are different. But all over the country women and girls are being failed. Rape prosecutions through the floor.

All of it needs sorting.

There is no appetite to do it. Not in any parties, not the police or other services, and sadly generally not even in society.

btchymcbtchfce · 15/05/2021 02:59

@Iworkedthere

Regular with namechange.

I worked for Calderdale social services during this time period. I was support staff, not a social worker.

It was well known that grooming gangs were operating. They specifically targeted girls in foster/LA care.

Individual staff cared about it a lot but they didn't have the backing of the local authority or police to tackle it properly. Racial sensitivities was a big part of why it was shied away from.

We worked together then.
Flaxmeadow · 15/05/2021 03:08

Have you got a link to what she said?

Here

Priti Patel (@pritipatel) Tweeted: .@SammyWoodhouse1 is an incredible and inspiring lady.

This is why 👇🏽
#IWD2021 t.co/lgfgq0n8If twitter.com/pritipatel/status/1369012140015812612?s=20

Flaxmeadow · 15/05/2021 03:10

...If you scroll back she talks about Rotherham specifically

RockPainting · 15/05/2021 03:23

I really hope there are some difficult conversations going on between these men, their mothers, sisters, wives, girlfriends, daughters even... And with others in the local community. Are the whole community (and I'm not using that as a euphemism for other people of the same race who live nearby... But genuinely... The neighbours, parents at the school gate, people working in the local shop and gp practice) welcoming these men back into everyday life knowing what they've done?

NiceGerbil · 15/05/2021 03:49

'Priti Patel
@pritipatel
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The victims of the Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal, whose sheer determination has really influenced the strategies that we are now adopting.

But they had to fight tooth and nail against the instruments of government to get anywhere!

And the grooming and abuse is still happening.