Girl pushed under train.

[Thelnebriati]

The girls all have to run past the boys to board the train.
One girl is kicked in the face, spat on, shoved, tripped up, and ends up falling on to the tracks.

The guard in they hi vis yellow jacket just watches.

I'm at the end of my tether with male violence and entitlement.

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VenusTiger You are right, they didnt just target one girl, did they. All the girls had to run the gauntlet.

I used to work in an office where they moved us once a month (it was a hassle for IT as I'm left handed and the desks were set up right handed ). The reason for moving us was to stop cliques forming; it prevented enough cases of bullying for it to be worth the hassle.

Men are radicalising each other, online and face to face, to preserve the idea that women are other and not their equal. I think we do know enough to act, but there is no will to do so.

Much of the problem is the sentencing rules - the police could put many hours of work into this for the boys to be let off or given some community service.
The punishment needs to be unpleasanter, not necessarily prison

Signed petition and shared.

Cu

It the tweet in the OP still available? The link doesn't seem to work anymore.

"I hope that's the end of that little bastard's potential career."

I agree, @stonecat - it shouldn't even be a question, but sadly there is every chance that he will be let off lightly so his career isn't damaged.

And people wonder why we don't want penis-havers in our toilets and changing rooms. Why do some people think we'd be safe from male violence in there when we aren't safe from it in broad daylight, in a public place.

Those poor girls.

It used to be when I was a child that teenagers behaving badly would risk getting hit by men on the street. It was a deterrent. Things changed once adults became too afraid to do this because it leads to them being prosecuted. And a prosecution for attacking a child will affect employment.
Now, these teenagers know there is nothing anyone can do.
So they do what they want.
It is horrendous, but I am not sure why anyone is surprised.

This is so shocking to watch. We’ve been talking about a holiday in Dublin, but will go somewhere else.

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Dear God, that is horrifying to watch. And that Guard at the end.......

Who on earth are raising these kids????

The removal of guards was more about changing their role, they would still be on board the train but would not have responsibility for opening and locking the doors. The fuss a couple of years ago was because it means trains would be able to run without them if there was none available, which means the guard and their unions would no longer have the power to disrupt services if they didn't get their way in negotiations.

Yes - the ultimate aim was to have trains without any guards at all. Thus further reducing the capacity of vulnerable people to get help.

"The unions" were unsurprisingly looking after the interest of their members. The government is more than happy to point at how disruptive the unions are and blame them. And thus the protection for vulnerable people (often women) is reduced and nobody notices or cares.

I know most cities have problems, I just wasn't aware of it in Dublin. Ive been there many times. What happened to the friendly city I knew? Im really quite shocked by other posts, where people who live in Dublin are talking about what goes on there. It wasn't that I was singling out Dublin per se. I know other cities that have issues, but I think it's got worse since Lockdown. Young folk are bored, fed up and many places are still closed. Where I live it's quite a rough area and anti-social behaviour, along with complaints about neighbours, have skyrocketed. We had spates of violence with folk attacked at random. The perpetrators were caught. In my opinion sentences though are a joke. The criminals now have more rights than the victims.

I agree that things have got a lot worse since lockdown, and I think this is going to be one of the most damaging long-term effects of it. My parents live in a Cotswold village that has never had any issues but is now blighted by the vandalism and intimidation of male teens who seem to have turned feral in the last year.

It’s a total lack of empathy, pride and community. Judging anyone is now not the done thing, community cohesion is gone and pride is gone.

I look at our local town, ex mining, removing the mine, and the veg picking kids and mums used to do, and flinging it into the benefits system, driving those that could (the MC) into jobs away from the community destroyed the community, removed the pride and the internet put paid to any empathy. Adding just softly supporting rather than outright judgement of poor behaviour and you have a perfect storm.

@Thelnebriati

This still (if it will post) is taken from the video and shows one of the boys kicking the girl in the face.

He’s been identified and is a footballer. He’s a petition for his employer to take action:

please sign

Interestingly if you type “Shelbourne football clu” into google the top option that comes up is “Shelbourne football club Jason Delaney”. There is also “Shelbourne football club statement”.

Both of these are above “Shelbourne football club shop” as options.

Not really the type of PR you want.

Not really the type of PR you want
Yes I think naming and shaming can be a powerful tool, let everyone see how despicable this person is so that his peers also judge him

I don't think its that new. I grew up in a fairly naice town and when getting the train as a teenager we would frequently have to run a gauntlett of boys jeering, doing that wierd headbutty movement and occassioanlly spitting. Nowhere near as bad as in the video, but definately intended to intimidate and they would be crowded on the platform when you got of so you had no choice but to walk past/through them with your head down.
In theory they would target anyone but they were particularly bad towards "vulnerable" targets - e.g. 15 year old girls, teenage boys by themselves, women by themselves. But not grown men or anyone likely to be trouble for them. So there is definately a gendered element.
I am not saying it was as bad in the video, but watching the video brought back that awful panicky feeling of having to walk through it.

@echt

No-one is disputing this. People are simply rightly pointing out that these gangs target anyone they perceive to be vulnerable, irrespective of sex

So put the link on AIBU and say, hey, it's all about everyone.

What link? And self-evidently it isn't all about everyone.

@castemary

It used to be when I was a child that teenagers behaving badly would risk getting hit by men on the street. It was a deterrent. Things changed once adults became too afraid to do this because it leads to them being prosecuted. And a prosecution for attacking a child will affect employment. Now, these teenagers know there is nothing anyone can do. So they do what they want. It is horrendous, but I am not sure why anyone is surprised.

Absolutely. I can remember going to teenage dances or 'hops' in the Dublin area. If the manager of the Top Hat thought a boy was getting a bit 'handsy' he would just tap him lightly on the shoulder. And that was that. Wtf happened?

I think it is the parenting. But that has nothing to do with how rich or poor the parents may be.

There is a 19 year old boy in my town that sells drugs, causes trouble, bothers elderly people by sitting outside their homes with music blaring at midnight - he is with others, but he is the ring leader. His parents own a huge property development company, he lives in a mansion with an indoor pool, and drives around in a brand new car that Mummy and Daddy bought him. He is not expected to work. So he just hangs about with other "kids", generally causing mayhem.

Also, a few boys beat a security guard up about a year ago - they almost killed him. In the foray one of the attackers had a designer cap ruined. What did his Mum do? Treated him to a new one.

Namby pamby parenting. Kids growing up in a society where adults don't say "no".

Of course, on the other hand, you do have the kids born in to abject poverty. Their parents are high on something and don't give 2 shits where the kids are, or what they're doing. Of course these kids will gravitate towards gangs, in order to belong somewhere. And then it's survival of the fittest. If you're not seen as "hard", you'll be picked on.

In both cases above, the parenting is to blame.

Either way, I'd lock these little shits up for 5 years minimum. See how "hard" they are in jail with some real hard criminals.

@Onlinedilema

Good god I hope it's more than the end of that bastard Jason Delaney's career. I hope it's the end of him full stop. The same for the rest of them. Absolute scum.

Why do I fee like it won’t be?

This is inciting and condoning criminal assault, particularly the last sentence

There's always one.