Britain's youngest trans child

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Article in daily fail (sorry)

4 year old female twin says she is a boy (like her twin brother) and expresses interest in firefighters & police officers & doesn't like pigtails.

So the parents are transitioning their 4 year old and saying they have grown up conversations about gender with them.

Sigh.

Poor kid. I was climbing trees and insisted my mum cut my hair to collar length at that age, so glad it wasn’t a ‘thing’ in the eighties to transition your child for not following stereotypes! Someone needs to intervene.

Worryingly she has told me that among her friends there is a desire to have had some trauma in your background as a sort of badge of honour.

A friend of mine adopted a little girl aged six. She was asked, among other things about her own childhood. And she said she had the devil of a job persuading them that it was fairly peaceful and happy.

I honestly thought that stories like this might make more people pause. And this one in the Guardian last year:

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jun/15/trans-transgender-children-gender-family-project

If a person could read these stories and not see the problems, I wouldn't even know how to begin a conversation with them. Both the Guardian and the Mail articles very much speak for themselves, written with little critical analysis of trans ideology. But the social and environmental reasons for each child's decision are loud and clear. You don't need to be a feminist to see them, do you? This is all about the parents and their homophobia and sexism.

It is weird knowing that my own child would have been whisked to the GP for a Tavi referral by any of these parents. In fact my own child has made statements far more indicative of gender dysphoria than any of the children featured.

Oh wow, this is depressing.

Children of that age base their understanding of gender on external appearances. So asking (repeatedly) if Stormy is a boy or a girl is essentially asking them if they want to wear pink dresses and pigtails and play with dolls, or
wear trousers and play with the fire engine.

How 3-year olds think about gender:

3-year old Vs 10-year old on gender constancy:

(With thanks to Katie Alcock for highlighting these videos)

@AssassinatedBeauty

What I can never fathom is the decision to publicise the child's life in this really intrusive way. I wouldn't dream of putting the life of my 4 year old child into the public eye in this way, I cannot see any explanation for why it's appropriate or helpful. It seems to be more about attention for the parents than for the wellbeing of the child.

They do it because there are so many people out there in the world like the posters on this thread. They are trying to show the world that their son is not someone to be hated.

You'd have to be willfully blind, @Shizuku, to think that anyone on this thread hates a 4 year old child.

So you think the parents did the right thing? If you knew me, would you report me to social services for not going down this route?

They are trying to show the world that their son is not someone to be hated

And no one person is saying that either of their children is someone to be hated.

In fact, many of us are saying as young females, this would be us. It certainly was me.

And tell us exactly how a child this young can be reliably diagnosed as trans? And your evidence please.

If a child wants to climb trees - let them

If they want to cover themselves in glitter - let them

If they want to be a firefighter when they grow up - brilliant

If they want to be a unicorn when they grow up - brilliant

What’s not brilliant is trying to use any of those things to create a much deeper issue. IF - and it’s a very very big if - the child is trans then that will stay with them and there is no need to rush at anything. Just let them be a 4 year old and enjoy the innocence of life at 4 rather than trying to push them into a box

@Mumoftwoinprimary

I have a “trains” child.

When he was 4 he announced that his name was Thomas (as in Tank Engine) and refused to answer to anything else. He also said “choo choo” and “chugga chugga” a lot.

Should I have had his legs amputated and him fitted with wheels instead?

🤣🤣🤣 Brilliant!

They do it because there are so many people out there in the world like the posters on this thread. They are trying to show the world that their son is not someone to be hated.

Can you please point out any post that has expressed hatred towards this four year old? I can only see pity and empathy, mainly borne out by women who remember playing with a range of toys in their childhood and feeling horrified that they may have ended up on extreme medication for this completely normal state of affairs.

Children should not be tools in the adult obsession with gender ideology. Not everything is about you and your issues. This is just a kiddy wanting to play with fun stuff.

Indeed, I was significantly more gender nonconforming than this child at this age and onwards, and was vocally persistent about the fact that I wanted to grow up to be a boy. Was I a trans child also?

@PaleGreenGhost

So you think the parents did the right thing? If you knew me, would you report me to social services for not going down this route?

If you were depriving your child of the recommended treatment for a recognised medical condition, you're damned right I would report you to social services.

Exactly Sirzy Childrens creativity and imagination are amazing and they explore the world through play and role play.

Letting a child just be themselves and grow at their own pace is the best thing a parent can do for their child.

If you were depriving your child of the recommended treatment for a recognised medical condition, you're damned right I would report you to social services.

Nowhere does it indicate that's what this poster or multiple other posters are doing. What they are doing is allowing their children to develop into well rounded adults instead of chucking them onto treatments paths when they are little more than toddlers. Surely any sensible parent would adopt a watch and wait attitude and allow their child to wear and play with anything they like rather than allow a pre school aged child to make life changing decisions?

Shizuku you're pathologising a completely normal stage of development. All children explore their world through role play, its how they learn to understand the world they live in.

When you start making it an issue that's when it becomes a problem for the child

my DD only wore boys clothes, played football, had short hair and was only friends with boys and frequently told me she wanted to be a boy. I would say that this went from about 2 until about 11/12. She had no interest in anything girlie at all and idolised her big brother. fast forward to 15, she skateboards, wears baggy jeans a tshirts and she has really close boy friends but she's also a girl with long hair, crop tops and a good crowd of female friends. I could so easily have gone along with the trans route and she would have totally engaged with it but I never considered it because she was far too young to make those decisions for herself.

If you were depriving your child of the recommended treatment for a recognised medical condition, you're damned right I would report you to social services.

The child is four and doesn't want pigtails. That's not a medical condition. 🙄

Why on earth would adults put adult issues on to a child. Transitioning a child of that age is a child protection issue.

Once more for those who refuse to hear:

GC feminists don't hate trans people. We want them to be safe, happy and well.

We want women's safety, wellness and equity.

you're damned right I would report you to social services.

You wouldn't get the response you desired from me if I was the safeguarding officer that picked up that phone at the other end.

Yikes

Guess that kid realised how much better boys are treated early on

"Oh, wait till he has grown up. If he detrainsitions, you'll fall over yourselves to praise him, if he doesn't, and dares instead to do something outrageous like campaign for trans rights - that's when the hate comes out.

On the other hand, as people here are involved with campaigning for things like forcing trans kids to use toilets that match their birth certificates, despite the fact that it puts them at higher risk of sexual assault, some would argue that yes, you do hate trans kids:"

I sincerely hope that as she grows up, she is allowed to step out of the public eye and have a private life, so that none of us are able to comment one way or the other. The DM is the world's most visited online newspaper site.

In the UK, children in the UK at school should by law be provided with toilets separated by sex when they are aged 8 and over, except where the toilet is provided in a room that can be secured from
the inside and that is intended for use by one child at a time. A child aged 4 would be using mixed sex toilets in a UK nursery or school. I seriously doubt that anyone here is campaigning for any changes to that. There is no evidence in the UK that children are at higher risk of sexual assault in school if they are not allowed to choose which sex toilet facilities to use.

This short film with Zoe Lyons popped up in my Facebook feed the other day, a cute campaign from a teaching union I think it is, against the idea of formal tests for four year olds. To paraphrase, ask a four-year-old a question three times and you'll get three different answers - let them be little kids and don't impose something on them so young that could have significant consequences.

I was quite amazed with it really, it's about something completely different of course, but the comparison with the affirming culture around trans kids is so stark.