Britain's youngest trans child

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Article in daily fail (sorry)

4 year old female twin says she is a boy (like her twin brother) and expresses interest in firefighters & police officers & doesn't like pigtails.

So the parents are transitioning their 4 year old and saying they have grown up conversations about gender with them.

Sigh.

How have the parents not considered that the 'pretty' clothes were uncomfortable and less practical than the boys' section. Kids consider these things high priority.
Stupid, stupid parents.

I know a parent like this. They have honestly ruined their kids and social services too scared to touch.

A female toddler notices that male twin is treated differently, wants to play with the same toys and asks to wear comfy clothes.

The ONLY response to this should surely be 'ok' play with ANY toy, wear what you like, not tell the child they must be a boy.

I bet they would've done the same if their son had asked to wear pigtails and push a pram.

I can't understand, as an adult and a parent, the idea of asking your small child at aged 2, 3, 4 whether they "feel like a girl" or "feel like a boy" in response to them making a statement about being a boy/girl. Especially if they have opposite sex siblings. It is simply an opportunity to explain that they are a boy/girl and that boys/girls have different bodies and that none of that matters when it comes to clothes, playing, friendships, colours etc etc.

As for the parent "asking permission" to post photos on LinkedIn and elsewhere... it beggars belief. A nursery aged child cannot possibly understand the consequences of such publicity nor be responsible for making the decision.

I'm very bothered by parents whose child had to have A Conversation with them in order to be able to play with what they want. How unresponsive and cold of them.

'Accepting people for who they are is the only way to encourage innovation, embrace growth and harness the best in everyone. I have permission from my son to post this. He is proud of who he is

Your daughter is 4, she cannot meaningfully consent to being in a national newspaper.

This reminds me of the Rogers family. I know the family and know that the child is now living with his biological dad after being removed from his dad and stepparent and is a boy again.

@Fernlake

'I am so proud that he knows who he is and isn't constrained by societal norms and prejudices. We can all learn something from this small boy and I learn every day. Everyone is different.'

Dear God. A girl who doesn't like pigtails.

He added in the post: 'We all need accept that people are different and not try to force those around us to fit into a box that suits us.

He can't be this stupid.

They genuinely never ever see the fucking irony in their bullshit do they.

'Yay, my girl doesn't want to be constrained by the social norms and prejudices that we have enforced upon her by demonstrating so clearly that her brother is treated differently because of his sex, so we are forcing her into the boy box because that suits us.....'

That’s just appalling. I skimmed the article as it’s so painful and predictable, but was there any mention of the mother?
Stereotypes are so harmful. Those poor children

the idea of asking your small child at aged 2, 3, 4 whether they "feel like a girl" or "feel like a boy"

I don't think I would have been able to answer that at 4. I certainly can't at 10 times the age.

I can imagine maybe I would have given an answer, but only because I wasn't mature/knowledgeable enough to understand the true meaning of the question. Or rather its lack of meaning.

Or possibly, given 4-year-old logic, I would have given the answer that I thought would get me what I wanted. I don't think 4-year-olds are big on truth, but they're down with manipulation, if anyone is dim enough to be manipulated by a 4-year-old.

Is there a link to this article?

@Ghislainedefeligonde

That’s just appalling. I skimmed the article as it’s so painful and predictable, but was there any mention of the mother? Stereotypes are so harmful. Those poor children

Yes mum was mentioned in the article too but it seems to be only their father making public comments and being quoted.

I bet they like the attention it gives them to make them feel like super cool lo parents sigh bet they’re turned vegan recently too 🙄 course that little girl won’t be messed up.......

When DD was 4 she wanted all her hair cut off and to wear boys (and girls) clothes. Absolutely fine. We let her be who she wanted to be. At 4 years old there was no way we'd say she must be a boy because of how she wants to look and dress.

She very much thought of herself as a girl but just liked "boy stuff". She eventually grew her hair out and started liking pink because society rams it down our throats that that's what it is to be a girl. It makes me so angry that this bullshit is still going on today. The remarks we got such as "she can't wear that it's a boys jumper" really made me despair.

I don't get this. If she wants to wear "boys" clothes, dress up as a firefighter and have short hair that is fine as a girl!

My friends dd is what we used to call a tomboy, a friend in her class (age7) suggested she wasn't a girl and she should become a boy, i despair. Kids should be allowed to be kids and dress gender neutral if they prefer.

I see it quite a lot where i live, that mothers try to create pig tails out of their baby daughter's tiniest amount of soft baby hair. It must be incredibly uncomfortable for the child, and just looks ridiculous.

Why are people doing this? And what is with the pink/blue business. It really wasn't like this in the 1970's to the extent it is now. And back then girls would have all manner of hair styles, not just long, as now seems to be almost uniformly the case.

We asked 'are you just not a girl, or are you a boy?' Both myself and my wife have fairly grown up conversations quite regularly about his gender

They have created this themselves. A child of two or three years old just does not have the conceptual tools to think in that way. They have created a binary, and then asked the child to state a preference - entirely based on clothing, hair styles and preferred toys.

But they think they are being radical and free of gendered assumptions. Crazy!

Link to article (taken from above):

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9544807/Father-trans-boy-4-says-people-insist-calling-son-girl.html

This is what unfiltered comments look like:

twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1389886608309211137

Bet they’re turned vegan recently too

Can we have a little less vegan hate. I mean, apart from it having nothing to do with trans ideology, eating less meat and more veg has lots of benefits, there's logic to reducing your meat intake. There's no logic for increasing your interaction with harmful stereotypes.

Just for the record we vegans often sidestep the vegan cat scenario by keeping herbivores.

That was purely full of stereotypes.

If the kid doesn't like "pretty shoes" then don't make them wear "pretty shoes " . I've yet to meet a baby/toddler who doesn't remove items of clothing that are scratchy or getting in the way of playing. That's why you send them.to pre school in joggers amd leggings and t shirts.

Its perfectly normal.behaviour ffs

He refused to wear pretty shoes. It got to the point where he was upset about being forced to wear them

The child being a twin seeks closeness with the sibling, yet the parents are treating them differently based on their sex; and clearly have some quite traditional gendered expectations. The child also senses that sibling has more freedom around play, and less restrictive clothing . the child wants to be the same as the sibling. to be treated the same. The father most likely has a secret preference for a son.

As a cm i would love a grown up conversation with the pre school children- have no expectation of it though.

I have had children want to be unicorns, witches, and one crawl down my path barking.

I had one girl.dinosaur crazy- now she loves anything like princess's , dolls, anything pink. It changes because they are deveoping.

My own ds planned to be Captain of the octopod at that age.

Münchausen syndrome by proxy.
The parents should be reported to social services.

I knew a parent who had a transchild at a similar age (maybe a little bit older). I'm not sure of the current status, I got blocked on SM ages ago, for being, well I'm not quite sure what, possibly objecting to being called c*s. Full on social transition.

Christ this is grim.

Thank fuck I wasn't their child, I was a very boisterous tom boy (now a very feminine woman and mother)

The couple spent a long time trying to clarify if Stormy was certain he was not a girl, but by his third birthday, they accepted their child's identity

What utter nonsense! Children this age simply do not have the conceptual tools, nor is any sense of stable social identity until about 7 years of age. All identities are social in origin, and rely very much on what is presented in the environment. The parents have created and shaped this all by themselves, out of their own unconscious expectations and beliefs.