Britain's youngest trans child

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Article in daily fail (sorry)

4 year old female twin says she is a boy (like her twin brother) and expresses interest in firefighters & police officers & doesn't like pigtails.

So the parents are transitioning their 4 year old and saying they have grown up conversations about gender with them.

Sigh.

It's so messed up. I cannot fathom how people find it easier to believe that their child is somehow the opposite sex despite that being impossible, than that they just don't conform to feminine or masculine stereotypes. My 4 year old son went through a phase a few months back of saying he wished he was a girl so he could grow baby in his tummy and be a mummy some day. We had a chat about how boys and girls bodies are different but both are equally special and amazing, and talked about how there's nothing I do as his mum that his dad doesn't also do. He was happy with that and now seems to have forgotten about it. He also loves feminine things which is 100% fine by me. He was sat the other day dressed in his my little pony pjs, cuddling his my little pony soft toys, watching my little pony. My main goal is for him to know that he can love pink and sparkles and dolly's and dressing up as a fairy etc and not need to claim to be anything other than a perfectly normal 4 year old boy. He also love building and lego and messy play and whatever else. He's just a normal child, he likes a variety of things with no regard for which sex they're "coded" for. I'm certain that most children are like this if you let them. Makes me sick to think that there are people out there who would take these perfectly normal preferences and use them to justify questioning if he's somehow really a girl. Absolutely disgusting.

Classic case of narcissistic parents using their child as an attention seeking object.

Absolutely ridiculous. Poor child.
My son used to head straight for the princess dresses at nursery and still has a penchant for jewellery and make up. He’s obsessed with cute animals and mainly plays with girls at school.
Remind me to have a grown up conversation with him and see if he feels like a girl or a boy. Ffs.

That article is ridiculous. And why on earth are GPs referring to gender clinics at the age of 4?

The attention and praise parents get is ridiculous and fueling the idea than children can be born in the wrong body. I see it in every FB group I'm in. A parenting group parents are posting that they regularly ask their child are they a boy or a girl. The ones with a 'trans' child are hailed as brave and incredible
Even in my crochet group a poster said she had been asked to crochet a binder for a friend's 'son'. Hundreds of comments saying how wonderful it is, tears of joy
It's ridiculous. Any negative comments get a pile on and result in being kicked out of the group

And why on earth are GPs referring to gender clinics at the age of 4?

"Get these loony parents out of my office"?

He's just a normal child, he likes a variety of things with no regard for which sex they're "coded" for. I'm certain that most children are like this if you let them.

This is certainly what I've seen in children. They start out liking what they like and not caring what others think. Then no matter how hard you try at home, external influences start creeping in and they suddenly reject something they used to love because they've been told it's for the opposite sex. Or in this case it seems they've been told it actually makes them the opposite sex

From the DM article We all need accept that people are different and not try to force those around us to fit into a box that suits us.

Except their child didn't fit in the 'girl' box
Instead of just encouraging her to be who she wanted to be, they forced her into a 'boy' box instead.

So sickeningly sexist, those poor kids, both of them.

It's one thing allowing your child to wear what they want, call themselves whatever they're comfortable with etc. But actually asking for a referral to a gender assignment clinic? That is abuse. I hope social services are involved, but sadly they've probably jumped on the 'woke' wagon too.

Okay I’ve read the article now. Still yikes.

Asking the kid if they’re actually a boy is a leading question. And I never liked “pigtails or pretty shoes” in my entire life! And frequently get pissed off with long hair and cut it all off!

I understand there are adult transgender people who feel deeply that they wish to be perceived as men/women but when it comes to kids it all comes down to whether or not they like pink and sparkles and that just seems like sexist nonsense to me. I’m really trying to understand it but I can’t.

I'm sure there's something about young children's development stage that they assume every question a grown up asks them must have an answer. So if you ask them "do you feel like a boy or a girl?" they just assume this is a meaningful question and they must feel like one or the other. But children will also respond the same way if asked questions like "do you feel like an apple or an orange?", "is the sky covered in stripes or spots?", "do you want squigpops or zigbots for dinner later?" They just don't have the developmental ability to distinguish meaningful questions with real answers from nonsense questions with no answer.

Makes me feel ill that people like this guy can get away with claiming they’re putting their child’s well-being first, when really they’re just lapping up all the attention they’re getting for throwing the poor kid under the bus.

I understand there are adult transgender people who feel deeply that they wish to be perceived as men/women but when it comes to kids it all comes down to whether or not they like pink and sparkles and that just seems like sexist nonsense to me. I’m really trying to understand it but I can’t.

You can't understand it because as you've so eloquently described when it comes to children every single time it always boils down to them not playing with the toys often ascribed to their sex or wearing clothes which would be worn predominantly by children of their sex. It's always she liked cars and wanted short hair so she is obviously a boy or he liked wearing an elsa dress and playing with my make up so he's now a girl.

Well we're fucked. My 2 year old thinks she's a dinosaur.

So they're gaslighting a four-year-old, all ready for when said four-year-old eventually hits puberty and gets a horrible, massive shock (and/or a lifetime of medication and sexual problems), under huge and largely avoidable social pressure. And they're setting the kid up for at least a number of years of inevitably feeling they have to hide things - which is terrible, psychologically.

This is very, very sad.

This is a safeguarding issue. Sadly social care / the NSPCC have been so captured by the adult lobby groups that they dare not carry out their statutory safeguarding responsibilities to investigate adults who state that because their 4 year old daughter doesn't like pigtails and wants to be a firefighter, they must therefore be a boy and set for a life time of drugs and surgery.
That child has been abandoned by society.

This is child abuse. No other words for it.
Attention seeking parents using their child to further their own narcissism.

I imagine it would feel pretty unsafe to a toddler, to be asked regularly by their parents whether they're a boy or a girl. Parents are supposed to know stuff at that age, especially important stuff like the sex of their child.

DD has decided recently that whenever she is going at a speed faster than slow walking she is going to make a sound as if she is a motorbike/car cornering at great speeds.
It's very annoying. (She's 9). She tells us she's a fast car.

I have so far restrained myself from putting petrol in her bowl.

@FuriousFemale

He's just a normal child, he likes a variety of things with no regard for which sex they're "coded" for. I'm certain that most children are like this if you let them.

This is certainly what I've seen in children. They start out liking what they like and not caring what others think. Then no matter how hard you try at home, external influences start creeping in and they suddenly reject something they used to love because they've been told it's for the opposite sex. Or in this case it seems they've been told it actually makes them the opposite sex

This is absolutely the case.

They meet a new friend and all of sudden, their tastes change, they go to school and see what other's are doing, they suddenly change again.

I pity any child that is told that an activity or toy or clothing is 'not for them' due to being for the opposite sex when it is only stereotypes that are enforcing that and no other reason at all.

HelpMeRhondaYeah

Indeed. It would seem like there is some sort of expectation of you to be asked it or having the 'adult conversation' about it.

I pity any child that is told that an activity or toy or clothing is 'not for them' due to being for the opposite sex when it is only stereotypes that are enforcing that and no other reason at all

Its all such a middle class first world thing.

Anyone who grew up poor and had to wear clothes that were handed down, well if u didn't wear the "boys coat" you'd have frozen. Either that or your parents would have smacked your arse (or time out these days) for being so silly. There wasn't the money to indulge this. I doubt kids who grew up hungry and wearing their cousins old clothes were worried about expressing their gender.

Münchausen syndrome by proxy.
The parents should be reported to social services.

I agree. And social services should absolutely have the integrity to challenge this and not avoid it because they don't want to deal with it.

The photos of the toddler 'living as a girl' show how deeply sexist this couple are - pretty pink princess in flouncy skirts with sparkly pigtails.

This is clearly an extension of their inbuilt gender stereotyping.

Jesus wept this is depressing. My 15 yr old DD was a tomboy par excellence. Never wanted princess dresses (or any dresses), nothing pink, has played football since she could walk, begged the teacher to be a shepherd instead of an angel in reception nativity and throughout primary all her close friends were boys. She now never wears skirts or dresses, doesn't wear any make up and still loves football. She's often said that she won't go to the prom because she couldn't bear dressing up like the other girls.

She's never once had any confusion about the fact that she is a girl growing into a woman.

Interestingly enough many of her contemporaries are now coming out as non-binary and these are exclusively the girls who grew up loving the princess dresses etc, having the pamper parties aged 7 etc etc.

Thankfully she finds this whole trend baffling and is quite aware of the importance of biology. As she said to me "shame I can't identify out of my horrendous periods isn't it!".

Worryingly she has told me that among her friends there is a desire to have had some trauma in your background as a sort of badge of honour. Apparently it is just not fashionable to have had a fairly stable upbringing or to have good self esteem.

Wonder when all this will end ...

Worryingly she has told me that among her friends there is a desire to have had some trauma in your background as a sort of badge of honour. Apparently it is just not fashionable to have had a fairly stable upbringing or to have good self esteem.

I can well believe that. It's similar to shows like x factor. When it started it was enough that you were a good singer and now to be in with a chance of doing well the ability to sing is secondary to the requirement that you need a very gripping back story, the more harrowing the better.