Why do we need pronouns when we have names?

[Cannotgarden]

I am admittedly not up to date with the discussion about trans issues but my work has just asked us all to add pronouns onto our email signatures. I'm confused though because most names are gendered and my understanding was that people who wished to pretend to be a different sex, change their name anyway. So why would we need the pronouns?

I also find that personally I have no time to spend worrying about my own gender. I am just 'cannotgarden' so does this mean I can have no pronouns and demand that they use my name every time instead? I really wish they'd spend more effort sorting out the huge gender pay issue we have instead

"I genuinely don't know what a neo pronoun is.*

The ever moving goalposts. coming to your classroom soon

I googled.

Wow.

So now you know what neopronouns are and how they are gaining popularity do you still think this is a reasonable ask for people to:
Remember a name in addition to
Remember a neopronoun
For every individual in their class, work or public dealings?

Remembering that non binary has risen disproportionately amongst teens over the past few years.
Meaning that it's no longer statistically unlikely.

@Butwasitherdriveway

I googled.

Wow.

When you say "Wow" is that a positive or negative reaction?

When I am thinking of pronouns I am thinking of not just she, he and they, but all the rest, so hence my reservations about them being an expectation on email signatures.

Right register people, settle down.
Sarah?
Zeta in the bathroom Miss.
Jon?
He's in isolation Miss!
What for?
Misgendering Zeni Ms?
What did she do to her?
What did he do to meowth, Miss, check your privilege.
Oh ok, Ryan?
She's ill Miss.
Is there anybody actually here today?!
Nobody Miss.
Don't be cheeky.
Nobodies my new name Miss. My pronouns are N/A.

Just kidding. All in good fun.

I asked you about how we cope in a classroom

You jumped on my general post about not needing to use third person pronouns to someones face with your specific example. That's how I would get around using pronouns. I don't work in a school so it wasn't really my focus, I was asked to respond to your example and I did.

@BuffyTheSlavishIdeologySlayer

So now you know what neopronouns are and how they are gaining popularity do you still think this is a reasonable ask for people to: Remember a name in addition to Remember a neopronoun For every individual in their class, work or public dealings?

Remembering that non binary has risen disproportionately amongst teens over the past few years.
Meaning that it's no longer statistically unlikely.

Have you had this pronouns though nBuffy? We haven't see them yet.

My conversation was relating to he, she, they.

Negative, afternoon.

There lies the problem.

That people have minds of their own? If you say so.

Nope, it makes me very thankful I am in primary.
Thing is, you won't be able to pick and choose which you entertain. It's a slippery slope.

My conversation was relating to he, she, they.

So everyone talking at cross purposes then.

driveway but you're a fan of 'slippery slope' arguments, right?

So...neo pronouns. Why not?

@AfternoonToffee

My conversation was relating to he, she, they.

So everyone talking at cross purposes then.

I don't think neo pronouns were ever specified. I'm pretty sure neo pronouns are another thing, like cervix haver, that is not actually in regular use.

@CorvusPurpureus

driveway but you're a fan of 'slippery slope' arguments, right?

So...neo pronouns. Why not?

I don't have an issue with the pronouns themselves but I would certainly be more inclined to agree with people claiming it is difficult to use pronouns if it was neo pronouns rather as he/she/they

@Ereshkigalangcleg

There lies the problem.

That people have minds of their own? If you say so.

No.

That people think the solution is just to 'do as they like'.

I can't think of a single issue in society that works for

“ The thing is Tanith, it's just not cool to constantly make out this is a self indulgence issue. It isn't.”

On a business email, the writer should look professional, not “cool”.

That people think the solution is just to 'do as they like'.

I didn't say it was a solution, just that people will do what they see fit. Like you.

@Tanith

“ The thing is Tanith, it's just not cool to constantly make out this is a self indulgence issue. It isn't.”

On a business email, the writer should look professional, not “cool”.

What's that got to do with anything ? I was referring to your ideas that someone who wants their pronoun respected is just self indulgent.

This rigmarole always reminds me of Abbot and Costello's 'Who's on First' routine:

Coming to a classroom near you, very soon!