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Scotttish Hate Crime Bill - part 3

249 replies

ArabellaScott · 10/03/2021 16:07

From For women Scotland's tweets:

twitter.com/ForwomenScot

And we're off!

Characteristic of sex

@JohannLamont
is up

@JohannLamont
says some will agree with her and some disagree but what she will say is not hateful.

She calls out @patrickharvie
for his male entitlement in ascribing to her a motive of transphobia.

Says more about his lack of self-awareness than how we make good law.

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Tibtom · 10/03/2021 20:48

If it passes we need a judicial review to show it breaches the ECHR - if it does then it is not law.

PandorasMailbox · 10/03/2021 20:48

@greatpurplepolkadots

Who is the very belligerent sounding male voice that keeps shouting out, does anyone know?
Be careful. You might be misgendering them.....
Syeknom · 10/03/2021 20:51

Would female cross dressers be protected?

ArabellaScott · 10/03/2021 20:52

Presumably, Syeknom. Although in practise, I don't see that really happening, do you?

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TheHamsterCatcher · 10/03/2021 20:53

Only if the person attacking them thought they were a crossdresser... and not just a woman wearing trousers.

Olderstyle1 · 10/03/2021 20:53

Apparently so Syeknom. But only if people realised they were cross-dressers, not if people just thought they were women in trousers with short hair and no make-up...
Mmmm. Might be a small flaw in this carefully considered bill perhaps.

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 10/03/2021 20:54

Man in a kilt not protected - man in a skirt protected? 🤯

Cismyfatarse · 10/03/2021 20:55

I notice Ruth Davidson down the front in trousers and with short hair. Is she protected more than, say, Nicola Sturgeon in her heels and dresses, would be.

And if a man dresses as Barbie he is protected.

But if I naturally look a bit like Ken, am I protected because I am born looking a bit like a male doll. Or not, because I didn't choose this face but I look masculine.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 10/03/2021 20:57

The same people ones who voted for women to be excluded from the bill will vote for it to pass without amendment.

Funny they knew exactly what a woman was then though.

Olderstyle1 · 10/03/2021 20:57

Apart from the very evident woman hating that lies at the heart of this bill, it's a staggeringly inept piece of legislation.

Olderstyle1 · 10/03/2021 21:00

I guess that's the point. They don't actually care how inept it is. As long as it's sufficiently vague to catch women in its vicious, totalitarian net, they don't actually give a monkeys.

Syeknom · 10/03/2021 21:01

Well, obviously you would have to let them.know you were taking it seriously..

Scotttish Hate Crime Bill - part 3
Sexnotgender · 10/03/2021 21:04

Awful. Absolutely awful. SG absolutely despise women.

terryleather · 10/03/2021 21:07

@Sexnotgender

Awful. Absolutely awful. SG absolutely despise women.
Yes they do, and they're proud of it.
littlbrowndog · 10/03/2021 21:10

We lost our rights

Cross dresser get protection

Women don’t

☹️☹️☹️

Thanks my government

Me and my daughter not worth nothing in Scotland

OvaHere · 10/03/2021 21:18

@littlbrowndog

We lost our rights

Cross dresser get protection

Women don’t

☹️☹️☹️

Thanks my government

Me and my daughter not worth nothing in Scotland

I can't believe the state of Scotland right now. So sorry to all Scottish women you must be gutted at the behaviour of the parliament. Sad
BowlerHatPowerHat · 10/03/2021 21:30

So if a woman is assaulted/harassed etc and states 'I'm a crossdresser!' does that mean the perpetrator will potentially get a tougher sentence than if the victim was just an ordinary run-of-the-mill woman?

ArabellaScott · 10/03/2021 21:34

Gutted and disgusted. I voted for these bastards.

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2Rebecca · 10/03/2021 21:34

It seemed to suddenly end whilst I was busy. Is part 2 tomorrow?

Tibtom · 10/03/2021 21:35

@BowlerHatPowerHat

So if a woman is assaulted/harassed etc and states 'I'm a crossdresser!' does that mean the perpetrator will potentially get a tougher sentence than if the victim was just an ordinary run-of-the-mill woman?
No. This is different and worse legislation - it creates crime out of words and thoughts, no assault necessary.
Form1ess · 10/03/2021 21:37

So who to vote for in May? I was going to spoil my ballot but might vote tactically against anyone who voted against protecting women.

Form1ess · 10/03/2021 21:40

2Rebecca final debate and vote on the bill to be rescheduled but don't know the date yet.

Diaryofamadwoman · 10/03/2021 21:40

I need to calm down before May. I'm so angry I could vote tory through spite.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 10/03/2021 21:48

Yup. I've always been solidly for Scottish independence and the SNP. Now I'm wondering if it's such a good idea.

Form1ess · 10/03/2021 21:50

Diary - I know I'm so angry I don't trust myself not to scream at MSPs in the street, I live so near Holyrood and see them all the time.