Scotttish Hate Crime Bill - part 3

[ArabellaScott]

From For women Scotland's tweets:

twitter.com/ForwomenScot

And we're off!

Characteristic of sex

@JohannLamont
is up

@JohannLamont
says some will agree with her and some disagree but what she will say is not hateful.

She calls out @patrickharvie
for his male entitlement in ascribing to her a motive of transphobia.

Says more about his lack of self-awareness than how we make good law.

John Finnie, come on, then, dear.

bla bla bla

sorry that was paraphrasing . I'm off for a cup of tea, back when he's done.

'legislation already covers women's problems'

(as it does with all of this bollocks hate crime bill, but nevermind)

oh, good, he's done

Elaine Smith, point of order

we've waited 13 years on legislations, why should we wait longer

Neil Bibbie

dunno who he is, supporting amendments

noting concerns (what concerns?)

Annabelle Ewing

has considered copious evidence committee received

a lot of different perspectives

clear to me that we have the opportunity to do something different substantial and meaningful in terms of abuse women suffer daily

what is th point in pursuing same legislative approach we have seen decade after decade

gender neutral does not deliver for women

@ArabellaScott

And Johann Lamon't's forensic medical examiner bill

Elaine Smith now, great. And then John Finnie is up to make an arse of himself, I mean, present the Green view

Lamont interrupts

on gender neutral domestic violence legislation - gold standard

Annabelle Ewing - time to do something different

it will be this parliament that will consider the issue

I recognise importance of immutability of sexual dimorphism (!!!!)

and of not conflating sex and gender (!!!!!)

Equality Act remains part of legislation that governs our activities

not supporting amendments

Humza Yousaf

govt not supporting bla bla bla insincere bla bla bla

robust debate bla bla bla

Lamont's amendments add 'sex' and ask us to define 'sex'

in principle I don't oppose

I initially was going to do this before the TRAs told me not to

I don't see why we cant 'do something different' while also including sex in the bill.

Scottish Women's aid, engender, rape crisis

expresed concerns that a neutral sex aggravator would do harm

one concerning element

accept differences

deeply disturbed by insinuations made about said organisations

now Humza's telling off the women for criticising said organisations

struck by number of concerns in evidence

neutral sex aggravator could become another tool to be used by abusers as part of a coercive control pattern

gender neutral does not deliver for women
A-fucking-men

Following on Twitter but it’s so much more comfortable here 🥃

[maybe a fair point, idk]

Yousaf notes that Domestic Abuse is gender neutral

other arguments - engender's report

serious concerns raised

fucksake Yousaf just say you don't care about women and be honest that this bill is just for the menz

he's noting Baroness Kennedy as expert is to look at this issue

we shoudl be deferring to the experts - means WA, Rape crisis, engender

wait until the experts decide

definition of sex

• I don't have an in principle objection

won't prejudge Baroness Kennedy's work

The experts are fully captured, they have ignored submissions from non ScotGov funded orgs - fuxkers

12 months for the working group to explore the issue, please give them the time

shut up women and wait your turn

And damn right leaving sex out of the bill shows that misogyny is not a problem

Paulie McNeill

A number of qus;

conerns about length of time

at least a few years?

extraordinary times we're in

CAb Sec can't reply

'why if you're not against the sex aggravator, what the rpoblem inserting now and revising later'

arguemnt for no reason

[sorry, getting a bit garbled!]

McNeill asks for aggravator to be added now and removed later if working group decides its harmful

Humza is worried that women might be harmed if they are afforded protection now

Lamont:

why would you not include women in HC legislation?

Scotgov's response is : 'it's all a bit complicated'

Lamont is a breath of fresh air after Humza's dithering.