Staniland Question is so good. Can we think of others?

[aliasundercover]

The Staniland question:
Do you believe that male-sexed people have the right to undress and shower in a communal changing room with teenage girls?
is so clever. The fact that so many people refuse to engage with it - let alone answer it - means it's a quick, powerful, way of showing how ridiculous the TWAW position is.

Can we think of any others that would be as effective? Maybe we could come up with 5 or so really sharp questions that TRAs could refuse to answer. My first thoughts are something along the lines of:
Why is it racist to identify as another race but stunning and brave to identify as another sex?
I'm sure somebody can word that better.

So any suggestions? The questions need to be short and clear.

Can a non-binary person AMAB ask to use a female-only space or ask to be on a female-only shortlist? If woman say no, is that transphobia by stonewall's definition?

If women say no to a cross-dresser using a female-only space or a female only shortlist is that transphobia? (A pp knowledgeable in this area up the thread stated that cross-dressers were not the same as trans-woman- but what if they want to access women's only spaces? Can women say no?)

Multiple choice questions. Please answer (a) or (b), show your working and give reasons for your answers.

Q1. If a white man dresses up as a black man, with black face and cartoon 'minstrel' make-up, is he being:
a) brave
b) insulting to black people

Q2. If a man dresses up as a woman (in a dress, ie a cartoon 'woman'), is he being:
a) brave
b) insulting to women

Q3. If you cannot see the similarity between Q1 and Q2, please state your IQ below ( a single digit box is provided for your answer)

Is Ja Du Filipino? www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/man-transracial-white-florida-filipino-rachel-dolezal-philippines-ja-du-adam-a8053731.html%3famp

After the independent article Is Du now states that that they are a trans woman is Ja Du now a woman? www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/858043001

Why is one experience considered appropriation, but the other argued to be legally unchallengeable?

Should Ja Du be allowed on an all woman shortlist? Are women allowed to object to this?

Thankfully sex is not that important in most medical situations

This is laughable nonsense.

To be fair you could write that under pretty much any of their contributions. (I didn’t even have to check to see who wrote the original post).

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Thankfully sex is not that important in most medical situations

This is laughable nonsense.

Laughable if it weren’t so dangerous.

I can’t decide whether the conclusion - that sex can’t be important because the doctor might be unaware of a rare medical disorder - is offensive or just worthy of pity.

Has Martina Big changed race? Many would (rightly) say no and that it is offensive to say so despite having hundreds of surgical procedures. www.martina-big.com/

Has Rodrigo Alves changed sex?
metro.co.uk/tag/rodrigo-alves/
Should women be kicked out of political parties for stating that they do not believe that Rodrigo has changed sex?

Question:

Should parents be informed that the person supervising their daughters changing and showering after PE is a male bodied person who identifies as a woman?

@RoyalCorgi

The demand that everywhere that provides single sex spaces should immediately construct a third space and that this must not impact on the women's space in any possible way virtually defies the laws of physics. It's highly unlikely that this could realistically even be achieved in many buildings let alone whether the public could be persuaded to support it.

I think you're confusing us with someone who gives a fuck. It isn't women's problem to solve. We have the right to say no to having men in our spaces, both for privacy and for safety. It doesn't matter how much you squeal about it or call us Terfs or yammer on about how unsafe it is to change around men (guess what - we know!) you still don't get to invade women's spaces. As Winesalot said yesterday:

The answer is still No!

I agree with this post.

In what way would a man have any idea what it is to be a woman??
What makes him feel that his feelings are a woman's feelings?

I have decided that rather than try and change peoples minds who have decided, they can't and won't see the lack of knowledge or logic in their answers.

I will be acknowledging the massive elephant in the room. We all already know, even those denying that truth and suggesting false comparisons.

So I will be using statements instead.

"Transwomen are treated like the men, we know they are. If they truly were women, they would be ignored."

OR

"As men dismantle women's rights, the liberals ask "How do we know who is a woman?"
We all know the answer, we always did"

Laughable if it weren’t so dangerous.

Yes, exactly.

Who was it who said something like pimps, priests and punters don't seem to have any trouble knowing who is a woman?

Do you think a birth certificate should be a legal document recording fact, or a 'social' document recording someone's feelings and/or opinion?

Do you think a birth certificate should be a legal document recording fact, or a 'social' document recording someone's feelings and/or opinion?

I think I like this one

@Darcinian

Who was it who said something like pimps, priests and punters don't seem to have any trouble knowing who is a woman?

Excellent quote whoever it was.

If a transgirl attends Guides and on an overnight trip is placed in a room with another Guide. Teenage hormones get the better of them and one of the Guides ends up pregnant.

What rules / guidelines / safeguarding measures should be put in place to ensure this never happens again?

@NotBadConsidering

a) Can a child at 12 make an informed decision about having sex at the present time?

b) can a child at 12 make an informed decision about having sex 10 years into their future?

I like this one!

Can biological woman identify as transwomen

If transwomen are women , the women are transwomen surely?

When considering allowing male bodied people to use female safe spaces, should organisations not first ask the female service users whether they are ok with it?

@Cloudyz7

If a transgirl attends Guides and on an overnight trip is placed in a room with another Guide. Teenage hormones get the better of them and one of the Guides ends up pregnant.

What rules / guidelines / safeguarding measures should be put in place to ensure this never happens again?

Good one.

Should a deceased lesbian artist be described as non binary and then as a " self identified lesbian" who might have considered being non binary if the term had existed when they were alive, by museum curators who should have known better.?

so, when looking to rehome a dog, and it says "no children, men or other pets" how is "men" defined"? eg "anything that isn't female"? Could I say "we all identify as women" and I get my dog. Confused. How do dogs know the difference between "men" and "women"??

Why are women told that we're safe from predatory males because cubicles in toilets/changing rooms have locks and if something were to happen then we can call the police afterwards but the same doesn't apply to transwomen in the mens?

Are babies transphobic for being able to tell the difference between men and women?

a "self identified lesbian"

They can't say it, can they? It's like the word lesbian has to be handled with quote marks so as not to dirty their lily-white hands.