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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Bunbury’s Eighth- Sealion training for beginners

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SophocIestheFox · 13/02/2021 21:08

Old thread nearly full!

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The useful Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving.

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls. As ever, if you suspect troll activity, report it to MNHQ.

Remember there are people out there who would like to silence us by fair means or foul.

This is a continuation of the Public Service Announcement thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3944572-Bunburys-guide-to-community-disruptors-part-5?pg=40

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging. AS is your friend.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted.. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we always have community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

Some helpful links can be found in the ‘Break it Down for me’ and ‘It never happens’ threads but in essence FermatsTheorem recommended “that in the absence of a block/hide poster button, I suggest the following strategy (given that you're talking to the lurkers).

Do not name check the sealion. Instead, respond to a depersonalised paraphrase:

"It is sometimes erroneously suggested that blah. Blah is wrong for the following reasons (short and pithy). If you need more information re. debunking blah, here's a link."

Then (this next step is important to combat derailment) go back up thread to the last useful contribution to the discussion, make sure you do name check that contributor, and pick up the discussion from that point.”

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ArabellaScott · 25/02/2021 10:07

Yes. Yes it is. That was what I was thinking yesterday. Women are being shut up when they point out gaslighting, when they point out predators, when they point out creeps.

BuntingEllacott · 25/02/2021 10:13

Yeah, but when you say "this could out someone" you're automatically on the good side, and people just think "gosh, yes, outing people is bad" instead of stopping to think "hold on, how do you 'out' a heterosexual man?"

gardenbird48 · 25/02/2021 10:18

@Sophoclesthefox

Fucking hell, rufus.

I am quite curious as to what is the correct amount of attention to pay. Like Goldilocks’ porridge, what would be “just right”?

and Rufus

my porridge is wayy too hot. I would really like to walk away and leave it to cool down on its own but I'm not sure that is going to happen. So I am doing what I can to cool it down myself and maybe get some tips from other porridge fans on the way.

BuntingEllacott · 25/02/2021 11:01

Actually, that bunch of flowers has really, really pissed me off. Have some flowers while we tell you not to mention the heterosexual men who keep trying to get into lesbian's knickers. fucksake.

ArabellaScott · 25/02/2021 12:37

I don't think it was the most judicious use of flowers, Bunting. Almost biscuity, in fact.

BuntingEllacott · 25/02/2021 12:38

I was going to reply, but I suspect even a drive-by biscuiting would get my wrist slapped.

ErrolTheDragon · 25/02/2021 12:44

I took it as signifying they felt bad about deleting the thread but were supportive of the new one. Which maybe is the best we can hope for.

BuntingEllacott · 25/02/2021 12:47

Lovely. Women are developing a new polari to indicate covert support of one another. I mean, that's good, but why the fuck doesn't that sort of thing wake people up?

ArabellaScott · 25/02/2021 13:02

That women have code words and secret networks in order to fight for women's rights as enshrined in law. Yes, it sounds like some dystopian novel, doesn't it?

DaisiesandButtercups · 25/02/2021 13:42

Native Tongue by Suzanne Haden Elgin

Women created their own secret language.

Kit19 · 25/02/2021 16:03

I see shaky headed sad faced pointy finger people have arrived on the MOMA thread to tell us off. It is currently trending top on MN so I expect more incoming to arrive soon

recipes at the ready!

fatblackcatspaw · 25/02/2021 16:28

Have Women Gone Too Far? say no more say no more

DeaconBoo · 25/02/2021 16:31

I commend everyone on that brilliant (and enlightening, I had no idea) thread about MOMA for SOB and keeping to the topic at hand, that's just as grand to see!

Cwenthryth · 25/02/2021 18:24

Has he started a thread about why TWAW as he was invited to? Always interested in exploring the reasoning.

Sophoclesthefox · 25/02/2021 19:19

shaky headed sad faced pointy finger people

I’m getting a great visual on that Grin very apt!

MichelleofzeResistance · 25/02/2021 19:37

And the, er, slightly odd 'anyone who thinks women should have rights will be dead soon yay' tweets.

Do hope someone shares that with the HoL. I think they've got the idea now, but that ought to help.

BuntingEllacott · 25/02/2021 20:12

Ugh, posters with eleventy thousand numbers at the end of screen names and the argument style of 'I know you are but what am I?' bore the shit out of me.

ArabellaScott · 25/02/2021 20:27

From reading that thread, Michelle, the peers don't need any help - it sounds like they've grasped the issue with both hands and feet! Grin

Can't believe I bloody missed the whole thing ...

ArabellaScott · 25/02/2021 22:33

It is true that marsupials and some weird voles, Microtus oregoni, seem to be able to dictate their sex to some extent with the environment.

Lord Robert Winston, are you here in Marsupial Corner?!

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 26/02/2021 12:03

As long as people respond to goady posts* it will continue to be a successful strategy and embolden other goady posters.

*to be fair, I consider it goady to see pretty much anything that presents Naomi Wolf as someone who has standing as an author, researcher or feminist.

Dalyesque · 26/02/2021 12:35

On AIBU 12% don’t know what the fuss is all about.. Really?

ArabellaScott · 26/02/2021 17:12

Crikey, the discussion is robust on AIBU, isn't it?

Wouldn't get away with that on this board, I suspect.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 26/02/2021 17:48

And the mutilation word has been bandied about willy nilly

😳

Feels like im in north korea looking longingly at the freedoms of the south

( thats a joke by the way....obviously i know MNHQ aren’t a totalitarian state)

PotholeParadies · 26/02/2021 17:56

I was reeled into becoming a poster of FWR by threads in aibu.

I must admit, it's been hard to unlearn AIBU styles of discourse, and I generally considered myself on the less harsh end of the AIBU spectrum.

AdHominemNonSequitur · 26/02/2021 17:59

@RufustheSniggeringReindeer

And the mutilation word has been bandied about willy nilly

😳

Feels like im in north korea looking longingly at the freedoms of the south

( thats a joke by the way....obviously i know MNHQ aren’t a totalitarian state)

I think totalitarian state, or any mention of the marxist origins of Queer theory are both deleteable offenses. I got a deletion for that on the AIBU thread. I took ages writing that post about Theory in gentle, accessible terms.