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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Bunbury’s Eighth- Sealion training for beginners

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SophocIestheFox · 13/02/2021 21:08

Old thread nearly full!

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The useful Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving.

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls. As ever, if you suspect troll activity, report it to MNHQ.

Remember there are people out there who would like to silence us by fair means or foul.

This is a continuation of the Public Service Announcement thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3944572-Bunburys-guide-to-community-disruptors-part-5?pg=40

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging. AS is your friend.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted.. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we always have community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

Some helpful links can be found in the ‘Break it Down for me’ and ‘It never happens’ threads but in essence FermatsTheorem recommended “that in the absence of a block/hide poster button, I suggest the following strategy (given that you're talking to the lurkers).

Do not name check the sealion. Instead, respond to a depersonalised paraphrase:

"It is sometimes erroneously suggested that blah. Blah is wrong for the following reasons (short and pithy). If you need more information re. debunking blah, here's a link."

Then (this next step is important to combat derailment) go back up thread to the last useful contribution to the discussion, make sure you do name check that contributor, and pick up the discussion from that point.”

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picklemewalnuts · 24/02/2021 14:44

I had weetabix for lunch. And sardines with chilli coriander and lime. But not at the same time.

CoffeeTeaChocolate · 24/02/2021 14:56

If it is the thread I am thinking about, I suspect it might have gotten pulled due to the links to pictures of some of the more..ahem..Glinner like users.

Could that be the reason? We had a familiar poster being very upset about this a few hours before it went.

CoffeeTeaChocolate · 24/02/2021 14:58

If that is the case (privacy) we should be able to start another thread about it as long as we avoid any potentially identifying pictures.

MichelleofzeResistance · 24/02/2021 15:10

If that's the case, why weren't the offending posts pulled instead of silencing lesbian women on a thread about the silencing of lesbian women?

Sappho, I am sorry. Flowers It's bad enough to see what Diva has become without having it rubbed in our faces that we have no voice, no choice, no feelings or homosexuality allowed, unless you do it silently and privately in your own home without anyone else knowing, in case your homosexuality offends someone.

I had more freedom in the bloody 70s.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 24/02/2021 15:12

@CoffeeTeaChocolate

If that is the case (privacy) we should be able to start another thread about it as long as we avoid any potentially identifying pictures.
To be honest if mnhq had said ‘we think the photos are out of order’ on the deletion meassage it would be a lot more useful that the ‘doesn’t actually mean anything’ spirit reason
CoffeeTeaChocolate · 24/02/2021 15:12

I cannot remember, but they might have been in the OP. Hopefully the moderators will get back soon.

CoffeeTeaChocolate · 24/02/2021 15:17

I am so cross as well. Flowers for everyone.

If it makes anyone a tiny bit happier, there are a lot of unhappy HER users who are outraged that Glinner is there (mainly ahem...Glinner like users). Glinner also appears to have a strong fan base. I saw on Twitter that one user had reported about 24 of the unhappy people for misgendering Glinner.

BuntingEllacott · 24/02/2021 17:02

The pictures in the OP were from, as I understand it, a public facebook group, where a person evidently born male claimed to be a lesbian. It's not in the spirit of the site for a lesbian to raise this as a matter she is unhappy about.

Just in case anyone was under the impression that it was. I posted on the thread, talking about how upsetting I found the rampant anti-lesbian and gay sentiment in LGBT+++ spaces, having come out very recently and having faced a lifetime of this shit. But to underline it, MNHQ removed the thread. So that's very helpful to know. Lesbians are acceptable, under sufferance, as long as we keep our heads down and don't mention the obvious encroachment by people that I can't even bloody describe with any accuracy because it makes those people sad and would get me deleted and worse.

Cracking fucking show, modern liberal forward thinking people. Really bloody impressive.

MichelleofzeResistance · 24/02/2021 17:16

It was also an OP with a long MNetting history of posting in good faith and with particular knowledge of LGBT+ groups, histories and politics.
Who you'd have thought had a right to know what she was talking about.

BuntingEllacott · 24/02/2021 17:19

And, I might add, has not always been supportive of the majority view in FWR. She's sadly come to those views by observing the behaviour of these ideologues after spending a lot of time defending them.

CoffeeTeaChocolate · 24/02/2021 17:27

Does anyone else wonder if any poster / lurker on this board was featured in the selected pictures...?

MichelleofzeResistance · 24/02/2021 18:18

The answer to that would be to think carefully about what you put in the public domain, rather than complain when the public comment about what you're showing them!

picklemewalnuts · 24/02/2021 18:42

I missed all that. Appalling. AngryAngry

It's so hard. Half the time I'm hugely grateful that MN facilitates this discussion at all, the rest of the time I'm furious.

Dalyesque · 25/02/2021 00:29

Creepy is definitely not allowed here... I am not sure what words to use at all these days when trying to warn lesbians what they might be dealing with. Missed the thread though as I was intending to return. What a load of bollocks.

notyourhandmaid · 25/02/2021 00:39

Sending some lesbian solidarity Flowers

CorvusPurpureus · 25/02/2021 08:46

Back from the naughty step...not quite sure what I did, as I'd lost access to my email years ago, so was presumably merrily & obliviously ringing up the strikes! I suspect I know who I pissed off, though Hmm.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 25/02/2021 08:46

I just had a glance at the stonewall thread in AIBU (the school one)

Ive only read a few pages but what struck me as ‘funny’ was a few posters saying that people on FWR were obsessed with trans people...when a poster got deleted for saying she was quite happy never thinking about trans people again

So no defence there....you are obsessed if someone says so and you can’t say you’re not, unless you have a really good think about phrasing and are really really polite

Sophoclesthefox · 25/02/2021 08:55

Fucking hell, rufus.

I am quite curious as to what is the correct amount of attention to pay. Like Goldilocks’ porridge, what would be “just right”?

picklemewalnuts · 25/02/2021 08:55

That thread is boiling my piss. I shall go and make cake. It's DH's birthday tomorrow. So I have an excuse.

picklemewalnuts · 25/02/2021 08:56

And the suggestion that the material is absolutely fine, 'it hardly even uses the word trans!' As though the word is the problem! Bah!

YetAnotherSpartacus · 25/02/2021 09:33

There's another interesting thread up suggesting maybe 'things have gone too far'.

NecessaryScene1 · 25/02/2021 09:47

There's been a brief MNHQ response on Arabella's post about the lesbian thread.

ArabellaScott · 25/02/2021 09:50

MNHQ response regarding the deleted lesbian groups post:

'Hi there, just dropping in to say that we took that one down as a number of posts were reported for being unfairly outing for people.

Feel free to continue the discussion here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4175389-lesbian-spaces

flowers'
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ArabellaScott · 25/02/2021 09:52

'Ive only read a few pages but what struck me as ‘funny’ was a few posters saying that people on FWR were obsessed with trans people...when a poster got deleted for saying she was quite happy never thinking about trans people again'

'help, help, there's a massive problem here! Someone come and have a look at it?!'
'oh, you women are always banging on about your problems, shut up and move on'

BuntingEllacott · 25/02/2021 09:58

See, I'd really like to how you 'out' a male who fancies women. Isn't that the default expectation? I've never heard of a male needing to be very courageous in admitting he wants to have a girlfriend.

Unless the outing is about revealing that a specific person is the sort of male who likes to ignore female boundaries, in which case, are we being told we can't mention that? I mean, not only is it utterly nonsensical and anti-lesbian, that's a wee bit dangerous, isn't it?