Time Magazine says white women are violent.

[MsSafina]

Time Magazine published the following article about white women and the "Karen" meme. I can't imagine what it's like being called Karen and white these days
time.com/5857023/karen-meme-history-meaning/

What a boring article. If people use the word violence to mean 'stuff that annoys me', how do they describe being punched in the face?

This endless escalation of all the annoying stuff into 'this is violence/ murder' renders all debate pointless.

If being a bit mean is violence, then yes, white women are violent. As are all other humans on the planet. And the word violence needs to be replaced with one for actual violence.

I'm Karen and I'm white. I'm absolutely fine, this pathetic meme only makes the people who use it look stupid. It'll die out soon enough.

The clips documented the many encounters people had with white women who openly flouted COVID-19 health and safety measures like wearing a mask or social distancing

Where on earth does this reporter get that it is white women who don’t SD or wear masks.

@MorrisZapp

What a boring article. If people use the word violence to mean 'stuff that annoys me', how do they describe being punched in the face?

This endless escalation of all the annoying stuff into 'this is violence/ murder' renders all debate pointless.

If being a bit mean is violence, then yes, white women are violent. As are all other humans on the planet. And the word violence needs to be replaced with one for actual violence.

Does anyone know when the "speech is violence" belief started happening on a wider level? I feel like it's fairly recent but I also can't pinpoint when it actually began. It seems to have made it's way into the mainstream without very much pushback.

I’m not in the slightest bit bothered about being white. I notice it’s used (normally by other white people who are woke-white so a special type of white)as a gotcha. We have no control over our race.

If a white woman calls the police and says a black man is threatening her and the police show up and shoot the black man - that’s still their fault and not hers. Yes, the white woman may have been motivated by racism. But the police officer who shoots probably was too. Why are we focused on only her racism and not the racism of the person who actually shot someone?

@Oliversmumsarmy

The clips documented the many encounters people had with white women who openly flouted COVID-19 health and safety measures like wearing a mask or social distancing

Where on earth does this reporter get that it is white women who don’t SD or wear masks.

Yip. I'd love to see research on who exactly isn't wearing masks or following Covid rules. If white middle aged women are the worst offenders I'll eat my hat.

@TooExtraImmatureCheddar

If a white woman calls the police and says a black man is threatening her and the police show up and shoot the black man - that’s still their fault and not hers. Yes, the white woman may have been motivated by racism. But the police officer who shoots probably was too. Why are we focused on only her racism and not the racism of the person who actually shot someone?

It's a mystery for the ages isn't it. What could possibly be the motivation?

The clips documented the many encounters people had with white women who openly flouted COVID-19 health and safety measures like wearing a mask or social distancing

You're a Karen if you won't wear a mask.

You're a Karen if you wear a mask and insist other people do.

The only way not to be a Karen is to scuttle about with your head down and hope no one notices you.

Even then you're a Karen if someone says you are.

Are these magazines and articles trying to stir up racism? I can't think of any other reason that justifies all the white people bad any other colour good stereotypes going around at the moment. Your colour is what it is. No-one should be disadvantaged because of something that you can't help and that really shouldn't be that important when assessing someone. Stereotypes of white people are no more acceptable than stereotypes of black people.

The thing that I find difficult about all this is the thing where USA culture etc is taken to apply to different countries.

There is a lot to talk about wrt to USA and racism, history, weaponising the police etc etc the prison stats I could go on for hours.

But we're a UK website and this is not our history. Our police forces are set up differently. They aren't armed.

Karen is not a middle class name in England at least. That comes up over and over.

I've seen threads where posters have got really worked up over words that simply do not have the same meaning here as in America. And even when told. It doesn't mean that here. Have still been told to shut up.

The American Karen thing has been eagerly adopted by misogynists. Shocker.

I'm sure that women in the USA do this stuff. What are the white men doing? I'm fairly sure it would be just as bad or worse.

If we want to talk about racism and the public and the police in the UK we have our own history to discuss .

I am tired of being asked to consider/ justify etc stuff that happens in a different country 1000s of miles away.

I'm genuinely confused about the response to that article.

If a word other than Karen was used to describe these sorts of entitled middle aged white women, would that be better?

Do you feel as strongly about articles describing MAGA men? Is it that "Karen" is a woman's name that makes it offensive?

It genuinely confuses me. Surely none of us here relate to the entitled women described in that article so why is it so bothersome? Surely we all know exactly what sort of person is being described. We've all met one..? In the same was as another article will detail MAGA men. Or fake-woke middle class white millennial men. There are specific articles on all sorts of stereotypes; this one is about "Karens". I can't understand the uproar in all honesty.

Entitled middle aged, middle class white women refusing to wear masks, taking it upon themselves to be judge jury and executioner to young black guys.. why wouldn't we call this out. Baffling.

How can they be sure these women identify as women? Funny how everyone knows exactly what a woman is when they're being misogynistic. I can't stand all this "White = Bad. Black/Other minorities = Good". It's a massive generalisation. White women and girls are public enemy number one and I remember reading somewhere that because of this, these women and girls are choosing to identify as non-binary/trans.

You know, if I saw some guy stencilling a slogan on a retaining wall, I might well suspect that he was a vandal of some kind. I have seen a tendency to put BLM slogans like that in odd places, like on roads, so maybe that would make me doubt it. But I don't usually think of slogans going on people's retaining walls.

I doubt I'd call the police over it because it's in chalk, but I don't think it's insane someone found that suspicious.

We can talk about damilola Taylor, smiley culture, Jean Charles menezes, Steven Lawrence. And the others. I'm in a met place and always have been. Bribery, corruption. Telling John warboys victims to get stuffed. I mean so much so much.

The met is and always has been institutionally racist and misogynist. That's a conversation to have.

I don't trust the police at all, personally.

What is a 'MAGA' man?

Ok I'm really confused.

Someone writing something in chalk on a wall = so fucking what.

'Entitled middle aged, middle class white women refusing to wear masks, taking it upon themselves to be judge jury and executioner to young black guys.. why wouldn't we call this out.'

In the UK? Erm.

Is that a group that tends not to wear masks? Round here it's a real mix. Not noticed any particular group not doing it apart from a group of young men in the pub the other day (white).

What exactly is the problem here. From a UK context. The met have form for killing black men disproportionatly. Maybe we can talk about that? Also they've been total arseholes to a range of people. That would be interesting.

Any takers?

The smiley culture case upset me.

Imagines the conversation in the editorial room.

Editor: "what unique and interesting thing can we write about above this week with a new fresh approach. Sales are down. Advertising revenues are down. We need something compelling a striking to same as many jobs as possible"

Team: tumbleweed

Editor: "In that case for your homework you can all write a 500 word essay on 'karen' because none of you have got anything better or more worthwhile to write about. I'll publish the most annoying one"

Team "Groans"

This excellent article about the Karen meme by Helen Lewis in The Atlantic is worth reading:

www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/08/karen-meme-coronavirus/615355/

"Time Magazine says white women are violent"

They've obviously never checked out the ratio in clips on YT. 🤨

[quote HecatesCatsInXmasHats]This excellent article about the Karen meme by Helen Lewis in The Atlantic is worth reading:

www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/08/karen-meme-coronavirus/615355/[/quote]
Excellent article thanks for posting. Was spitting feathers after reading the first one, wondering why white women and womanhood are suddenly responsible for the whole of.racism. Feel a bit better now😊

Thought this line particularly resonated.

"When white women say they’ve been raped, we should doubt them, because we know white women lie. And underneath that: What do white women have to complain about, anyway?"

Shut up and sit back down...Karen.

I can’t understand why an obvious racist article managed to get published.

Time Magazine is an American magazine talking about American white women. If you’ve not lived in the US you wouldn’t know about some of these things. Racist white women have used their femininity and “fear of the black man” to oppress minorities in a different way than the racist white men who use physical violence and threats. Before phone videos it was harder to prove white female racist abuse as they didn’t leave marks.