We are now non trans women.....

[InTheShadowOfTheMushroomCloud]

According the lovely Mr T

I'm confused. According to the Lib Dems we're "non-men", Tatchell thinks we're "non transwomen". How about something to describe us as something we are, rather than using negative words as a prefix? "Woman" works for me.

ok, fine, they can do that. Males are the ones who get to name things so we can like it or lump it. We've been re-branded, as is their god given right as men. There are "women" since TWAW, and there are "non-trans-women". Let's make the best of it.

If "women" are free to play "women's sports" then we can set up "non-trans-women's sports" and not get maimed when we play rugby or have to look at ball sacks when we want to get changed.

Sign me up for non-trans-women's sports!

But on a somewhat related note, does this mean Tatchell would describe himself as a non trans man? And if not, why not?

@Katypyee

Transwomen ARE women. You can still be a feminist and support trans women you know.

How exactly ARE they women, Katy? Just curious.

Transwomen ARE women.

That's fine until it reaches the point of 'and TW are female' and compulsory labelling of females (which somehow are discernible when working out who gets the grotty end of the stick in all situations) as 'non TW'.

Then I'm going to stop polite not mentioning it and going along with something I don't believe, which is not in the best interests of women. If you force me to the discourtesy of having to speak plainly then it's pointless in blaming me that you don't like what you hear. Go and live and do some reciprocal let living to other people without trampling on their boundaries.

The man in an insufferable misogynistic twat.

@Katypyee

Transwomen ARE women. You can still be a feminist and support trans women you know.

And seahorses are horses, ladybirds are birds, catfish are cats 🙄

Transwomen ARE transwomen. Nothing wrong with that.

Feminism supports females, because they are oppressed and treated like utter shit (as is being demonstrated beautifully just recently) due to their sex. The clue is in the name. FEMinism, see? FEMales.

female
/ˈfiːmeɪl/

a female person : a woman or a girl. b : an individual of the sex that is typically capable of bearing young or producing eggs.

Hope that helps :)

Transwomen ARE women

Go on then, explain how transwomen are women, because I think they're men.

@Katypyee

Transwomen ARE women. You can still be a feminist and support trans women you know.

In what way are transwomen women?

My definition of 'woman' is 'adult human female'. What's yours?

@Katypyee

Transwomen ARE women. You can still be a feminist and support trans women you know.

Btw Kat, you’re so behind the times darling. Your mantra is now TWANTW. Doesn’t quite roll of the tongue, but needs must, when it comes to to pleasing male bodied people and I’m sure you’d even get a pat on the head and an extra woke cookie.

He is a disgusting human being. How does he have so many followers on Twitter? He's such a creep

@Katypyee

Transwomen ARE women. You can still be a feminist and support trans women you know.

They're not.

@peanut2017

He is a disgusting human being. How does he have so many followers on Twitter? He's such a creep

For the same reason people look at horrific car accidents on the motorway. People know they shouldn’t because it’s a horrible sight, but they are also fascinated by the horror.

Wonder if this might be TRAs next plan of attack actually. 'women actually have a sporting advantage over men' Makes as much sense as the rest of it..

Your wish is my command DeliciouslyFemale. Twitter achieved.

Transwomen can only ever be what they are, and that is transwomen. They have never been, cannot be, and will never be women due to a little thing called human biology and genetics.
Wearing female clothing, hairstyles, shoes, and having any number of surgeries or hormone treatments still does not make them anything other than transwomen.

Sorry, should have used males, instead of men. Makes not much difference in reality, but it seems to be the difference between posts being deleted or not.

Back in the distant past, Tatchell was quite a pleasant bloke. He seems to have grown out of it now, though.

@PrawnofthePatriarchy

Your wish is my command DeliciouslyFemale. Twitter achieved.

You’re a star. Thank you. I’ll be back later. 😁

We are being erased and displaced and the whole world is behind it.
I'm in utter despair.

@WinWinnieTheWay

We are being erased and displaced and the whole world is behind it. I'm in utter despair.

Agreed. What's even more dumbfounding is how we are being erased and effectively gagged on a platform and forum predominantly for women and womens issues. How did that even happen?

Surely non- transwoman would also then include men who are not transwomen as well as women who are not transwomen?

Trans women are women.

Why is this so difficult?