Trans women in womens toilet

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I was out with friends tonight for a friends birthday. While in the queue for the toilet in the womens bathroom a transwomen came in. She was chatting to people in the queue and the lady in front of me asked if she were a man or a woman as she wasnt comfortable with a male being in the female toilets.

With that all hell all hell broke loose, the transwomen became very aggressive shouting and pointing in the womens face. A lot of women in the queue also turned on the woman, saying how dare she ask that etc. The woman ended up locking herself in the toilet as she felt intimidated.

Eventually the bouncers were called and they came in to the toilet and dragged the woman who asked the question out forcefully by the arm. Should this be happening? All a women did was question if it was a male or female that was using a female space, maybe she could have worded it less bluntly but surely the sentiment is still the same.

Trans Women are women. Get. Over. It.

Need I remind you of the masculine cis woman who was thrown out of a night club because she was mistaken as trans. Now cry 'erasure' again

Transwomen are NOT women. Get. Over. It.

Need I remind you of the masculine cis woman who was thrown out of a night club because she was mistaken as trans. Now cry 'erasure' again

Two wrongs don't make a right. I doubt that have happened in the past, when males weren't allowed to self Id into women's spaces?

Hey Crazy, why are you bringing back this long dead thread? I see you are a new poster. "Cis" is not appreciated here, please respect that.

Don't be silly. Of course males of a certain class can completely transform their body into that of a female. Down to every single cell in their body. Only certain men have this magic transformative dust. They say abracadabra and a woman springs forth in place of the man who was there before.

It happens when they grow their hair. In a completely different way from other men who grow their hair. Or put kohl under their eyes. In a completely different way than the other men who do it. Or if they put a skirt on. But again in a completely different way from when other men wear traditional skirt like dress.

Transwomen have issued an edict saying so. Therefore who are you a mere woman without this magic provenance to say it is untrue. You will be reported to the inquisition if you say that it is your opinion that magic doesn't exist and it is untrue.

Coming hard on the heels of a day when a TRA I know in real life informed us (in all seriousness) that they had periods because of the cyclical effects of their hormone therapy, I think magical transformative dust and abracadabra are not far from where their thinking is at.

Oooh look

I was the last person on here before A the world turned to shit and B the zombie thread got bumped

Yay

Oh and it was back when i was just bewildered

Now i snigger...at posts like crazypigeons

@CrazyPigeonLadyMarried2Trans

Trans Women are women. Get. Over. It.

Need I remind you of the masculine cis woman who was thrown out of a night club because she was mistaken as trans. Now cry 'erasure' again

The word woman is a sex designator, not a gender description. As women are adult human females and males who identify as trans remain male, regardless of what they choose to do to themselves, no male can be a woman.

The human species only comes in two sexes. We are sexually dimorphic. Our sex is immutable. This means the male and female sex class are distinctive and mutually exclusive. No matter what we would like to happen, the sex we were born into remains our sex until we die.

There is no spectrum between ova and spermatozoa. No third gamete. Just sperm, only ever produced by males and ova, only ever produced by females. Individual deviations from characteristics of a sex class due to differences in sex development do not invalidate the class as a whole nor do they move a member of one sex class into the other.

This is not rocket science. It's basic human morphology. Biology 101.

As for your non sequitur about a woman thrown out of a night club for being mistaken as trans. I'm somewhat bemused by what you're trying to say here. Masculine women are female, the same way feminine women are. And whether we conform to the stereotypes associated with our sex or not, we remain that sex. Even throwing her out of a night club for being mistaken as trans cannot change the sex of a female.

What many masculine women do say is that yes, they are at times challenged in female-only facilities, but that they know how to put other women at ease because they were brought up and socialised as females.

Finally, and just for your information, that throwing out is not done by gender critical people or feminists. It is usually done by men. Maybe have a word with them.

Oh bless. Someone’s been trawling through old threads so they can shout at the nasty women. Have a snickers pet. pats on head

I would not use the loo in this case because I would feel uncomfortable sharing a personal space with a biological male.

However, I would not challenge the transwoman because:

1. I would be called all kinds of names and maybe persecuted
2. I would be intimidated by the physical strength and possibly size of the transwoman. I do not wish to get beaten up.

I know that I may never feel comfortable using a public loo again. I've lost my rights to the pools, the loos and many more facilities and services yet to come.

Silence does not mean you approve of anything. Silence can mean you are too horrified to speak out.

How far did you have to dig to find this massively old thread?

Urgh, I didn't notice this was the reanimated corpse of a thread when I replied.

Does it matter that it’s an old thread, from January? I was anxious to find out if any action was taken against the venue or the thugs who dragged a woman out. I know it’s more like that the innocent woman was cautioned by police ...

here is the article from Women's Health magazine showing photos of ACTUAL TRANSGENDER WOMEN. They are even celebrities who inspire other women. Would you send this beautiful women in males toilets where their lifes will be in danger. would you say they are males or real women for those who say women can always tell the difference.WOMEN'S HEALTH

Dead thread walking.....

Well Elliot Page is a trans man and imo still looks like a woman.
Which toilet will he use?

LOL I wonder how our visitor found this thread, it’s not even the first time it’s been zombied!

Amusingly most of the males in that article are HUGE. I’m sure 6’5 Nikki wossname would be quaking for their life in the men’s toilets.

@LadyOfTheSith if any of them are in danger in the male toilets where they belong, that is because of male violence.
Women are not shields to protect men from other men. Should we also invite elderly men, gay men, weak men into our safe spaces? NO. All those born male do not belong in female spaces.
Teach men to treat all other males with respect.

Ah the wonders of photoshop are indeed many plus this is a great opportunity to explain for the zillionth time that a 1 dimensional photoshopped photo will not show many of the differences that are obvious the moment the vast vast majority of TW walk & talk

plus is it not deeply transphobic to say TW must present as feminine?

zombie by name, zombie by thread.

I know zombie thread etc but in response to the necromancies who raised it from the dead. Would I do the things you asked? Yes. I would.
Not because I hate transwomen or the individual in the article (I didn’t even open it) but because they are male and therefore do not belong in female same sex spaces.
m all be whatever you like I really don’t care anymore.
Feminism is for females.

Oh for an edit button!! I don’t know what necromancies is. Should have been necromancer.
Was trying to be clever with the zombie thing.
Will not attempt again.

I know this is a zombie thread, but I can't resist.

Can I get this straight LadyOfTheSith, if a transgender woman is attractive then it's ok to have them in a female space? That's what you are saying? It's their "attractiveness" that makes it ok? Good looks give you entitlement? Weird take.

This is a dump and run post isn't it, so don't suppose you will be back to debate.

One wonders who is going to stand on the door of every female facility and make the value judgement of which male person is sufficiently beautiful to have won access?

Because the reality is if the very beautiful male people are permitted, and the very very feminine male people are permitted, then so are any other male people at all who state that they wish to, including those with beards and swords and ill intent.

And what does the poster intend to do with all the (probably equally beautiful and lovely) female people now with no facility at all so that beautiful male people, non beautiful male people and in fact all male people can take their preferred choice of all the facilities all of the time? And how do they justify this male supremacism?